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God wants to wrestle

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by PopeADope, Aug 24, 2019.

  1. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Thanks to Mussolini, I have a favorite Biblical Charactar, his surname, Jacob, the thief, the criminal, the villain, the contender with God. He and God fought in the ring and Jacob won.

    Jacob teaches us that we can receive blessings through lies, violence, and deception...


    There was no one in Scripture who received a greater blessing than Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel, which means," contender with God". Like Jacob, Mussolini was a total bad a$$ who liked street-fighting and returned home bloody from his sword dueling hobbie. Some people need that and perhaps God does to. God likely has dangerous hobbies.

    After fighting all night with God, Jacob held onto him and refused to let go, essentially demanding a blessing. The reward God gave his nemesis Jacob, goes to show God likes bad boys (bad girls too) if they channel it the right way. God wants rebellion because it's in our very nature to rebel against him. If he didn't want rebellion, he would create more women like the virgin Mary and create more men like Joseph or John the Baptist. He instead creates primarily vessels of wrath.

    God wants a crazy world. He wants bad guys. He wants action, Dictators, War, comedy, sin, disobedience, and a sex-crazed society. It creates more tears, more laughter, more drama, more fun, more excitement, more intrigue, more entertainment. God wants there to be monsters. God creates monsters.

    Jacob was a villain in so many ways, stealing his brother's wife, birthright, and blessing. His Twin brother Esau was the harder worker, more skilled, more strong, and favored by the Father, who was the head of the household.

    Jacob and his Mother deceived the blind Isaac, changing the destiny of the whole world. So, Scripture shows that lies, theft, deception, and rebellion can get you reward and grace from God if you do it the right way. My advice, pray to the Queen of Heaven for the grace to know how best to fight God. She's been restraining his wrath for quite some time. An intercessor basically is someone who argues and fights with God.

    Moses essentially convinced God that it was a stupid idea to destroy Israel, and Scripture says, "God repented". Moses wouldn't leave God alone. We can get God to repent! We can declare war on God! We can lay siege to Heaven! God wanted the Holy land to be named after his opponent who defeated him, and all the chosen people to descend from the "contender with God", the one who committed violence against God and stole from God.

    You cannot conquer the earth, but you can conquer God! Get a pen and paper and start writing your prayers and petitions. Have a strategy! March onto God's Capitol, the Heavenly Jerusalem, as Mussolini Marched on Rome. Tell God enough is enough and he needs to be replaced, for the world is in agony due to his poor leadership and failure as a Father and Shepherd.

    Speak to God like a Fascist Dictator. He wants tough guys.
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    Present God with every reason as to why you could do a better job than him. Why not get God to change his mind so that he sees things your way. Moses saved an entire nation just by disagreeing and arguing with God.

    It might work. Mussolini seized leftist newspaper facilities illegally before his rise to power and the police who were supposed to arrest him did not because they admired him. Even the Prime minister's declaration of a state of siege had no effect on him and he took over the government without bloodshed or a coup because people admired how much of a bad a$$ he was.


    Each of us individually could bring far more grace to earth and come closer to making dreams come true if we could be seasoned at how to fight God the right way.

    I'm completely convinced that God wants seasoned contenders. He'd be bored without them.
     
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    I finally figured out what direction I should go, when I studied the revelations of the Baha'i faith
    "God wants to wrestle"

    Alright. You go first.
     
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    Oh my ... I'm sure that's the exact message that God wants people to take away from the story of Jacob. :rolleyes:
     
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    That's inaccurate. You're ignoring a lot of evidence. The fact is that God was already planning to bless Jacob and Jacob made it way harder himself by doing things his own way. The only thing God liked about any of that was how much Jacob wanted the blessing. God was not impressed at how Jacob went about trying to get it through lying and cheating. Jacob would have done better to trust God without resorting to such methods.

    Jacob is the typical person who likes to learn the hard way. Yet, God will still bless us if that is His plan and we are willing to eventually learn.

    You can clearly see how Jacob reaped what he sowed. He tricked his dad and his brother. Later on, his own sons deceived him and told him Joseph was dead. He mourned for years in consequence. Thus, he seems to have been punished in the exact way that he deceived Isaac.
     
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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    That's not what the Bible says. The blessing was supposed to be for Esau.
     
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    Genesis 25:23. God already told Rebekah that the elder would serve the younger.
     
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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Because of deception and theft...God saw that as well. Lets just face it, it was deception and theft that God saw would happened in advance. God approved of it and blessed it.

    There is no evidence that Jacob would have received the same degree of blessing had him and his mother not come up with the scheme and dishonesty and theft.
     
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    No ... if God already said it; then God would make sure it happened anyway.

    And explain why Jacob reaped what he sowed?

    Laban his employer in turn deceived him by switching out his daughters and then by changing Jacob's wages.

    And his own sons deceived him about Joseph.

    It's easy to see how everything Jacob did to his brother and dad came back on him.
     
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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Of course Jacob is going to have much adversity. He is the contender with God. God is going to frequently chastise him.

    But God willed that the blessing be given through lies and deception. You can admit the obvious. I wont look down on you for doing so.
     
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