Messianic Israelite
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So yesterday I was doing some shopping and someone stopped me in the street. They wanted to hand me a piece of literature. Having not much idea about what it was all about, I did ask him but he wasn’t very forthcoming. From what I could gather at the time was this individual, who happened to present well, was a Chr-stian, who didn’t follow any Ch-rch and was trying to promote his faith beliefs. I told him about my faith The Assemblies of Yahweh, but without knowing anything really to what he believed, wasn’t able to discuss the literature. He asked that in exchange for the piece of literature, which came in the form of a colourful, small booklet, I contribute something - I assumed for the literature. So I checked my wallet and realized I’d given the last of my change to a beggar earlier that day and told him I had no change on me. He suggested that perhaps I go to the shops and purchase something for him to eat, which I thought was peculiar since he did not look like a beggar. In any case, I agreed to do this. In returning, I gave him the food and discussed a bit more his beliefs. However, by the time I had actually read the booklet for myself, he had gone.
He was a Christian Freegan (see Freeganism). These people don’t follow any Ch-rch, but they claim to follow the Messiah. On page 2 of their booklet was a picture of a business man running towards the viewer, with 100 dollar bills floating behind him with the caption, ‘Quit your job forever!’. One quote said:
In summarizing the booklet, they don’t believe in working. They believe that work is a form of slavery. They believe in using their talents or abilities in helping each other, such as fixing a broken down car, or doing some electrical work, perhaps rewiring or something of that nature. They believe people should do what they enjoy doing, and that would make them work harder. The emphasis then would be being *helpful*. How would they get by without starving, or freezing to death? Well, like the guy that asked me for some food, I guess they think it’s OK to ask other people who actually work to pay for their things. I know that they have a problem with the Western countries wasting food, and have even identified themselves as the sort of people seen ‘bin raiding’ which is checking out the bins behind supermarkets for food. They often will hitch rides for free. I still have no idea how they pay for things like rent.
They justify this life through Matthew 6:26: “26 Behold the birds of the heaven, that they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; and your heavenly Father feeds them. Are not you of much more value than they?”
They also believe that a digital currency is coming, which is fair enough, as we do in my faith and that they would resist to death being microchipped so as not the Government to have control over them.
There’s more that I could say about them, but I’m sure you are able to do your own research. If I’d known this individual was of this belief, I would have been able to have a really stern conversation with him. I hope to see him again. But let’s consider this. Yahshua the Messiah had his disciples, and it appears for the 3 and ½ years of his ministry, they did not work. Before that time, they did work. Even Yahshua the Messiah was a carpenter by trade. The disciples left their occupations and followed Yahshua and this was one of the reasons why this group has this idea. However, this is the problem with rejecting the Law of Yahweh. You know, people go way off track when they simply reject the Law of Yahweh and Chr-stianity is guilty of rejecting the Law of Yahweh. This is why they are so many different sects. They take one thing from Yahshua and ignore the rest.
The Bible teaches us to work.
The scripture says: “8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shall you labor, and do all your work; 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of Yahweh your Elohim: in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maid-servant, or your cattle, or the stranger that is within your gates: 11 for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day: Therefore Yahweh blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”
Six days we are commanded to work. The disciples of Yahshua did spend 3 and ½ years with Yahshua. They needed that to learn Yahshua, and to absorb his life and teachings which would be necessary for the strength of the apostolic assembly if it were to survive after Yahshua’s ascension. But after that period of time, the apostles no doubt engaged in some work to support themselves and support the Assemblies of Yahweh.
We are commanded to work for 6 days and rest on the seventh.
What does the New Testament say about work?
And
These people are eating other people’s bread, and it doesn’t affect their conscience at all.
I’ll be honest. I do not like asking people for things. If I can do something myself, I will. I assume that’s because love is outgoing and giving, not receiving and it is more blessed to give than to receive but sometimes I wonder if I should ask more for what I need. Sometimes I take this to the extent of struggling to do something simply when I could have accepted help, but I know I can rely upon myself and not necessarily other people. I would never be able to be a freegan because it’s inconsiderate. They actually said in their booklet, “we get to play while they have to work”. Was Yahshua playing? He had a mission, and that mission was to show that we can keep the commandments of Yahweh perfectly, and how to keep the commandments and providing a way out for sinful mankind so they have a chance to make it to the Kingdom through his righteous blood. What are these freegans doing with their time?
When a worldwide social credit system is used, and we have a totally cashless society, then is when the Government will be able to decide who can work and who cannot, but until that time, we should be working while we can. We want to be able to help others, and that means helping ourselves by working for a living. I do lots of charitable work, and I wouldn’t be able to do this if I didn’t work.
People reject the Law of Yahweh and they take one or two things from the Bible but they do not harmonize the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and as a result they come up with the strangest of ideas. In my faith, we keep the Law of Yahweh. If I didn’t work, how would I be able to attend the Pilgrim Feasts of Leviticus 23. It would be impossible. I hope that groups like these aren’t able to sway you in to their way of thinking. Know the Bible and you’ll be able to distinguish between truth and error.
I was going to post the above, but actually an answer to my prayers, I saw the same individual today in the city centre, this time he was handing out what looked to be CD’s too. I approached him and said hi and he asked me if I’d be interested in what appeared to be a CD. I told him I wouldn’t and then went on to explain that I read his booklet and had a few issues with it. I started with and concentrated on the Exodus 20, where we find the 10 commandments, stating that we are commanded to work six days of the week and rest on the seventh. His argument to counter this was that Yahshua didn’t keep the Sabbath and that now in the New Testament era, every day is a Sabbath. So those of you who argue against the Sabbath Day can clearly see the damage that you’re doing to people. You’re basically saying we do not have to work. Well anyway, I told him, what do you mean Yahshua didn’t keep the Sabbath? He did keep the Sabbath and that can be shown in Luke 4 where he was in the Synagogues participating in Sabbath services, reading the scriptures. So he then said that Yahshua said that every day was a Sabbath. I said, Where do you find that in the Bible? I said, Yahshua said that the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath, but where do you find that every day is to be a Sabbath. I said Hebrews 4 clearly says there remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of Yahweh. So he said something about the scripture being not read in context and began to shuffle off but I wasn’t finished with him. I told him, Yahshua kept the Sabbath Day, so should we, and that means we have to work for six days. He said, Yahshua broke the Sabbath Day by healing on the Sabbath, and eating grain in the field. I said, he wasn’t breaking the Sabbath Day by doing any of those things. It’s acceptable to do good on the Sabbath Day. I said if Adam cut himself on the Sabbath Day really badly, would Yahweh let him bleed out, or would Eve? No, it’s acceptable to help out on the Sabbath Day, but we don’t throw the ox in the ditch in the Sabbath so we can take it out again on the Sabbath. I could tell he was getting agitated, and he tried then to suggest that Yahweh didn’t rest on the Sabbath Day and we don’t need to either. I said, Genesis 2 clearly says that Yahweh rested on the Sabbath Day, though He didn’t need to, being a Spirit being and not being limited by a mortal body. So he said, we don’t concentrate on the Sabbath Day, they are other more important teachings than the Sabbath Day. I can’t quite recall what I said in response to that, but it was I think something along the lines of, but your rejection of work directly correlates to rejection of the Sabbath Day. I told him about 2 Thessalonians 3 where it says those who don’t work (but can do so) shouldn’t eat, but at this point he was really wanting to avoid the conversation. He said that a friend was waiting for him, so we shook hands and I left.
For those of you who reject Yahweh’s Law, you reap what you sow. Galatians 6 says “7 Be not deceived; Elohim is not mocked: for whatever a man sows, that shall he also reap”. If you sow lawlessness, you’ll reap corruption. If you want to claim that Yahshua came to destroy the Law, despite Matthew 5 telling us this was not his mission, then you’re going to be in confusion. These people are going to be suffering for no reason whatsoever except they have rejected Yahweh’s Laws. So if they want to scrummage around for food, and beg people that actually work for money, when the Scriptures admonish us to work, let them, but understand that they’re not doing Yahweh’s will and they’re not pleasing Yahweh. I was stern but respectful. I didn’t shout. I didn’t show him up because they were people around, this being in the city centre, but because I cared for him, I wanted to show him that what he was doing was unnecessary and wrong. I don’t think I got through, nonetheless, perhaps I have given him some things to think about. His friend that was waiting for him didn’t even try to get involved in this conversation. I just hope that when people on RF start attacking the need to keeping the Law, you consider all the ramifications that this brings. Rejection of Yahweh’s Law is never the answer.
He was a Christian Freegan (see Freeganism). These people don’t follow any Ch-rch, but they claim to follow the Messiah. On page 2 of their booklet was a picture of a business man running towards the viewer, with 100 dollar bills floating behind him with the caption, ‘Quit your job forever!’. One quote said:
In summarizing the booklet, they don’t believe in working. They believe that work is a form of slavery. They believe in using their talents or abilities in helping each other, such as fixing a broken down car, or doing some electrical work, perhaps rewiring or something of that nature. They believe people should do what they enjoy doing, and that would make them work harder. The emphasis then would be being *helpful*. How would they get by without starving, or freezing to death? Well, like the guy that asked me for some food, I guess they think it’s OK to ask other people who actually work to pay for their things. I know that they have a problem with the Western countries wasting food, and have even identified themselves as the sort of people seen ‘bin raiding’ which is checking out the bins behind supermarkets for food. They often will hitch rides for free. I still have no idea how they pay for things like rent.
They justify this life through Matthew 6:26: “26 Behold the birds of the heaven, that they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; and your heavenly Father feeds them. Are not you of much more value than they?”
They also believe that a digital currency is coming, which is fair enough, as we do in my faith and that they would resist to death being microchipped so as not the Government to have control over them.
There’s more that I could say about them, but I’m sure you are able to do your own research. If I’d known this individual was of this belief, I would have been able to have a really stern conversation with him. I hope to see him again. But let’s consider this. Yahshua the Messiah had his disciples, and it appears for the 3 and ½ years of his ministry, they did not work. Before that time, they did work. Even Yahshua the Messiah was a carpenter by trade. The disciples left their occupations and followed Yahshua and this was one of the reasons why this group has this idea. However, this is the problem with rejecting the Law of Yahweh. You know, people go way off track when they simply reject the Law of Yahweh and Chr-stianity is guilty of rejecting the Law of Yahweh. This is why they are so many different sects. They take one thing from Yahshua and ignore the rest.
The Bible teaches us to work.
The scripture says: “8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shall you labor, and do all your work; 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of Yahweh your Elohim: in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maid-servant, or your cattle, or the stranger that is within your gates: 11 for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day: Therefore Yahweh blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”
Six days we are commanded to work. The disciples of Yahshua did spend 3 and ½ years with Yahshua. They needed that to learn Yahshua, and to absorb his life and teachings which would be necessary for the strength of the apostolic assembly if it were to survive after Yahshua’s ascension. But after that period of time, the apostles no doubt engaged in some work to support themselves and support the Assemblies of Yahweh.
We are commanded to work for 6 days and rest on the seventh.
What does the New Testament say about work?
And
These people are eating other people’s bread, and it doesn’t affect their conscience at all.
I’ll be honest. I do not like asking people for things. If I can do something myself, I will. I assume that’s because love is outgoing and giving, not receiving and it is more blessed to give than to receive but sometimes I wonder if I should ask more for what I need. Sometimes I take this to the extent of struggling to do something simply when I could have accepted help, but I know I can rely upon myself and not necessarily other people. I would never be able to be a freegan because it’s inconsiderate. They actually said in their booklet, “we get to play while they have to work”. Was Yahshua playing? He had a mission, and that mission was to show that we can keep the commandments of Yahweh perfectly, and how to keep the commandments and providing a way out for sinful mankind so they have a chance to make it to the Kingdom through his righteous blood. What are these freegans doing with their time?
When a worldwide social credit system is used, and we have a totally cashless society, then is when the Government will be able to decide who can work and who cannot, but until that time, we should be working while we can. We want to be able to help others, and that means helping ourselves by working for a living. I do lots of charitable work, and I wouldn’t be able to do this if I didn’t work.
People reject the Law of Yahweh and they take one or two things from the Bible but they do not harmonize the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and as a result they come up with the strangest of ideas. In my faith, we keep the Law of Yahweh. If I didn’t work, how would I be able to attend the Pilgrim Feasts of Leviticus 23. It would be impossible. I hope that groups like these aren’t able to sway you in to their way of thinking. Know the Bible and you’ll be able to distinguish between truth and error.
I was going to post the above, but actually an answer to my prayers, I saw the same individual today in the city centre, this time he was handing out what looked to be CD’s too. I approached him and said hi and he asked me if I’d be interested in what appeared to be a CD. I told him I wouldn’t and then went on to explain that I read his booklet and had a few issues with it. I started with and concentrated on the Exodus 20, where we find the 10 commandments, stating that we are commanded to work six days of the week and rest on the seventh. His argument to counter this was that Yahshua didn’t keep the Sabbath and that now in the New Testament era, every day is a Sabbath. So those of you who argue against the Sabbath Day can clearly see the damage that you’re doing to people. You’re basically saying we do not have to work. Well anyway, I told him, what do you mean Yahshua didn’t keep the Sabbath? He did keep the Sabbath and that can be shown in Luke 4 where he was in the Synagogues participating in Sabbath services, reading the scriptures. So he then said that Yahshua said that every day was a Sabbath. I said, Where do you find that in the Bible? I said, Yahshua said that the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath, but where do you find that every day is to be a Sabbath. I said Hebrews 4 clearly says there remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of Yahweh. So he said something about the scripture being not read in context and began to shuffle off but I wasn’t finished with him. I told him, Yahshua kept the Sabbath Day, so should we, and that means we have to work for six days. He said, Yahshua broke the Sabbath Day by healing on the Sabbath, and eating grain in the field. I said, he wasn’t breaking the Sabbath Day by doing any of those things. It’s acceptable to do good on the Sabbath Day. I said if Adam cut himself on the Sabbath Day really badly, would Yahweh let him bleed out, or would Eve? No, it’s acceptable to help out on the Sabbath Day, but we don’t throw the ox in the ditch in the Sabbath so we can take it out again on the Sabbath. I could tell he was getting agitated, and he tried then to suggest that Yahweh didn’t rest on the Sabbath Day and we don’t need to either. I said, Genesis 2 clearly says that Yahweh rested on the Sabbath Day, though He didn’t need to, being a Spirit being and not being limited by a mortal body. So he said, we don’t concentrate on the Sabbath Day, they are other more important teachings than the Sabbath Day. I can’t quite recall what I said in response to that, but it was I think something along the lines of, but your rejection of work directly correlates to rejection of the Sabbath Day. I told him about 2 Thessalonians 3 where it says those who don’t work (but can do so) shouldn’t eat, but at this point he was really wanting to avoid the conversation. He said that a friend was waiting for him, so we shook hands and I left.
For those of you who reject Yahweh’s Law, you reap what you sow. Galatians 6 says “7 Be not deceived; Elohim is not mocked: for whatever a man sows, that shall he also reap”. If you sow lawlessness, you’ll reap corruption. If you want to claim that Yahshua came to destroy the Law, despite Matthew 5 telling us this was not his mission, then you’re going to be in confusion. These people are going to be suffering for no reason whatsoever except they have rejected Yahweh’s Laws. So if they want to scrummage around for food, and beg people that actually work for money, when the Scriptures admonish us to work, let them, but understand that they’re not doing Yahweh’s will and they’re not pleasing Yahweh. I was stern but respectful. I didn’t shout. I didn’t show him up because they were people around, this being in the city centre, but because I cared for him, I wanted to show him that what he was doing was unnecessary and wrong. I don’t think I got through, nonetheless, perhaps I have given him some things to think about. His friend that was waiting for him didn’t even try to get involved in this conversation. I just hope that when people on RF start attacking the need to keeping the Law, you consider all the ramifications that this brings. Rejection of Yahweh’s Law is never the answer.
