JerusalemBull
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Here even in Bethlehem it became national celebration
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evidence christmas is not only christian
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Actually I think December 24 is called Jul, not Christmas. They just happen to be on a same day and some call the day Jul and some call it Christmas.
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That's true. In Roman times they had a holiday called Saturnalia that was observed in December. The Christians took advantage of this and appropriated it for celebrating the birth of Jesus.Well since the name for christmas in norway, sweden and danmark is jul then it is proof that christmas has pegan roots
Jul is not simply another name. Because of this:
Yule - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
There is evidence that Saturnalia as a festival was celebrated for around a century after the conversion of Rome to Christianity. The religious aspects of the festival honouring Saturn appear to have been gradually lost, instead becoming a popular festival designed to bring happiness in the bleak winter season. The connection with mid-winter and the birth of Jesus Christ wasn’t made until the 2nd century CE, and the first known celebration of Christmas celebrating the birth of Christ is from 354 CE. Jesus’ actual date of birth is unknown, and scholars have estimated that he could have been born in June or perhaps around the spring equinox. Regardless, there is no evidence that the widely celebrated date of Christmas was his actual date of birth. The date of December 25th specifically likely comes from the Roman festival of dies natalis solis invicti (‘day of the birth of the unconquered sun’), a festival specifically celebrating the birth of the sun. This festival was more specifically religious than the general merriment of Saturnalia, and it is noted that Constantine, the first Christian emperor, was brought up in the cult of the Sun, so it is possible that the date of Christmas was designed to replace this festival specifically rather than the more ambiguous dates of Saturnalia.
How Saturnalia became Christmas: The transition from ancient to present and pagan to Christian
Truthseeker
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That's among the Scandinavian people according to this:Well since the name for christmas in norway, sweden and danmark is jul then it is proof that christmas has pegan roots
Jul is not simply another name. Because of this:
Yule - Wikipedia
Yule, festival observed historically by Germanic peoples and in modern times primarily by Neo-Pagans, coinciding with the winter solstice (December 21–22 in the Northern Hemisphere; June 20–21 in the Southern Hemisphere). The pre-Christian festival originated in Scandinavia and was later subsumed, along with other pagan celebrations, into the Christian holiday of Christmas.
Yule | Pagan, Log, Theme, Celebration, & Facts
It's fascinating. The Scandinavian celebration of Yule was also incorporated into the Christmas celebration in some countries. It was not just the customs of Saturnalia that was subsumed into Christmas.