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Discourse on Sound Doctrine Really Does Matter

Discussion in 'Christianity DIR' started by iris89, Jan 22, 2005.

  1. iris89

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    Discourse on Sound Doctrine Really Does Matter



    INTRODUCTION;



    Many feel to day that they can just believe anything they want and that God (YHWH) will consider this okay, and that sound doctrine does not matter. Obviously this was NOT the thinking of the Apostle Paul as shown by Titus 2:1, "But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:" (Authorized King James Bible; AV). He clearly considered it of the utmost importance that we stick to what is sound doctrine as shown also at Titus 1:1-2, "Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;" (AV) clearly showing that we must acknowledge the truth if we are to obtain the hope of eternal life and hence not rest our hopes on lies, a point reaffirmed at Job 11:4, "For thou hast said, My doctrine is pure, and I am clean in thine eyes." (AV).



    This fact is reaffirmed in the new testament at 1 Timothy 1:3, "As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine," (AV); and re-affirmed at 1 Timothy 1:10, "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;" (AV); and at 1 Timothy 4:6, "If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained." (AV); and at 1 Timothy 6:1, "Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed." (AV); and at 1 Timothy 6:3, "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;" (AV).



    LET'S LOOK AT ONE EXAMPLE OF A FALSE DOCTRINE, THE TRINITY:



    This false doctrine is defined in The Cyclopoedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, New York 1871, by John M'Clintock and James Strong, Vol. II, page 560-561, states, "We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the



    persons, nor dividing the substance. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost.....The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Ghost eternal...So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty...So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet there are not three Gods, but one God...The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding...And in this Trinity none is afore or after other; none is greater or less than another. But the whole three persons are coeternal together, and coequal. So that in all things, as is afore said, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity." [this is the Athanasian Creed quoted in the above mentioned Cyclopoedia].





    This doctrine clearly states that the three persons are coeternal together, and coequal, but the scriptures clearly show otherwise. Take for example the two scriptures, John 5:26 and John 6:57:



    John 5:26, "For as the Father hath life in himself, even so gave he to the Son also to have life in himself:" (American Standard Version; ASV)



    John 6:57, "As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father; so he that eateth me, he also shall live because of me." (ASV).



    Clearly show that no co-equality exist with respect Jesus (Yeshua) and his Father, Almighty God (YHWH). This is impossible as Jesus (Yeshua) himself testified that the "Father hath life in himself, even so gave he to the Son" which would be of course would be impossible if they were as this false doctrine falsely claims that they are coeternal and coequal.



    Likewise, Jesus (Yeshua) clearly states, "I live because of the Father" which would of course not be the case if they were as this false doctrine falsely claims that they are coeternal and coequal. To further emphasis the fact that that he was NOT coequal with his Father (YHWH), Jesus (Yeshua) testified at John 14:28, "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." (AV) to show his Father (YHWH) was greater than himself; hence, NOT coequal as the false doctrine of the Trinity claims.



    However, the believers of this false doctrine are so adamant with respect to their belief in this false doctrine, they are deluded in believing certain scriptures in the old testament such as:



    Deuteronomy 4:2, "You shall not add to the word that I speak to you, neither shall you take away from it: keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you." (Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB) and Deuteronomy 12:32, "What I command thee, that only do thou to the Lord: neither add any thing, nor diminish" (DRCB). However, these scriptures do NOT support their contended for false doctrine, but actually condemn those who believe in false doctrines and take away from the commandments of our God (YHWH). This fact is further testified to at 1 Timothy 1:10, "For fornicators, for them who defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and whatever other thing is contrary to sound doctrine:" (DRCB). They are in effect the ones the apostles warned against the coming of at 2 Timothy 4:3, "For there shall be a time when they will not endure sound doctrine but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers having itching ears:" (DRCB).



    And,



    Psalms 89:27, [Psalms 88:28 in most Bibles], " And I will make him my firstborn, high above the kings of the earth." (DRCB) and they link this with John 18:33-36, " Pilate therefore went into the hall again and called Jesus and said to him: Art thou the king of the Jews? 34 Jesus answered: Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or have others told it thee of me? 35 Pilate answered: Am I a Jew? Thy own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee up to me. What hast thou done? 36 Jesus answered: My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would certainly strive that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now my kingdom is not from hence." (DRCB). However, they fail to pay heed or comprehend to "And I will make him my firstborn, high above the kings of the earth," which clearly shows a superior one, Almighty God (YHWH) putting his only begotten son in a superior place which would be unnecessary if they were coequal and coeternal. If these believers actually understood the scriptures they quote in support of their false doctrines, they would understand they did NOT support their false doctrine, but showed that it could NOT BE a true doctrine. Its like 2 Timothy 4:3 says, "For there shall be a time when they will not endure sound doctrine but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers having itching ears:" (DRCB).



    And,




    For the outstanding remainder and conclusion, go to:

    Discourse on Sound Doctrine Really Does Matter

    http://examining-doctrines.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=221


    Your Friend in Christ Iris89
     
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