Digital Prison without walls

[sayak83]

Do you consider things which are actually taking place to be conspiracy theories?

It's conspiracy when absurd claims are made about what is being done with these technologies. The so called great surveillance is unable to stop a single crime or mass shooting from happening before time or getting Trumps tax returns. The fact of the matter is the only thing that is being done with our data is providing us with selective ads and search results or fixing loans and insurance interest rates. The only real thing to care about is having strong data protection laws in the books. Otherwise storing and keeping data of users and citizens is a great thing. It can really help in delivering relevant and effective governance and get real time micro feedback on how certain policies, laws and products are working on the ground. Just see how having body cams have helped throw light on police abuse. Etc etc

 

[InChrist]

It's conspiracy when absurd claims are made about what is being done with these technologies. The so called great surveillance is unable to stop a single crime or mass shooting from happening before time or getting Trumps tax returns. The fact of the matter is the only thing that is being done with our data is providing us with selective ads and search results or fixing loans and insurance interest rates. The only real thing to care about is having strong data protection laws in the books. Otherwise storing and keeping data of users and citizens is a great thing. It can really help in delivering relevant and effective governance and get real time micro feedback on how certain policies, laws and products are working on the ground. Just see how having body cams have helped throw light on police abuse. Etc etc

Thanks for your thoughts. So you don’t think it’s likely that such data collection and/or surveillance technology could or would be used to monitor or control people? What about the digital monitoring, surveillance, and social credit system in China? Did you listen to the interview? Just wondering.
Thanks again for your input.

 

[sayak83]

Thanks for your thoughts. So you don’t think it’s likely that such data collection and/or surveillance technology could or would be used to monitor or control people? What about the digital monitoring, surveillance, and social credit system in China? Did you listen to the interview? Just wondering.
Thanks again for your input.

It is like this:-
The police and laws of a totalitarian autocratic state is used to keep people in submission (Iran, China etc)
The police and laws of a liberal democratic state is used to serve the interests of the people so that they can live their lives with greater freedom and security. (US, Europe, Japan etc).

The situation is no different for information, record keeping and data. If people stopped adopting technology for the fear of it being misused then we should have stopped before the taming of fire itself. I am assuming you are in USA, yes? Maybe you can pressure your party (Republican, yes?) to adopt the tough data protection and privacy laws that "liberal" EU has adopted so that the 5G technology created data is not used inappropriately. But then these politicians will talk about "excessive regulations". All this is nonsensical carpings of selfish politicians who wish to hoodwink their voters. New technologies will need new regulations. That is natural. When you start making cars and building roads (say in 1920) you need new safety and driving and manufacturing regulations. Same when you start making planes for public transport (1950s I guess). New regulations come and older ones die out with obsolete technologies (there are no regulations for horse driven carriages now is there?). This is normal.

Anyways here is the EU data protection and privacy laws. That is a good start.
What is GDPR, the EU’s new data protection law? - GDPR.eu

 

[Heyo]

It is like this:-
The police and laws of a totalitarian autocratic state is used to keep people in submission (Iran, China etc)
The police and laws of a liberal democratic state is used to serve the interests of the people so that they can live their lives with greater freedom and security. (US, Europe, Japan etc).

The situation is no different for information, record keeping and data. If people stopped adopting technology for the fear of it being misused then we should have stopped before the taming of fire itself. I am assuming you are in USA, yes? Maybe you can pressure your party (Republican, yes?) to adopt the tough data protection and privacy laws that "liberal" EU has adopted so that the 5G technology created data is not used inappropriately. But then these politicians will talk about "excessive regulations". All this is nonsensical carpings of selfish politicians who wish to hoodwink their voters. New technologies will need new regulations. That is natural. When you start making cars and building roads (say in 1920) you need new safety and driving and manufacturing regulations. Same when you start making planes for public transport (1950s I guess). New regulations come and older ones die out with obsolete technologies (there are no regulations for horse driven carriages now is there?). This is normal.

Anyways here is the EU data protection and privacy laws. That is a good start.
What is GDPR, the EU’s new data protection law? - GDPR.eu

How Target Figured Out A Teen Girl Was Pregnant Before Her Father Did

One of the classical examples why you should be cautious with your data, even the innocuous ones. The data protection laws wouldn't have prevented that.

 

[sayak83]

How Target Figured Out A Teen Girl Was Pregnant Before Her Father Did

One of the classical examples why you should be cautious with your data, even the innocuous ones. The data protection laws wouldn't have prevented that.

No it would not because it's unclear what is immoral about this. If you had a local store in some small town, even there your neighbour store owner will notice if you start buying maternity related items. The assumption that a big store will not notice trends in your buying and using that to give targeted coupons no longer holds true. But notice that Target was only doing this to folks who are registering to their store as members. What the data protection can give you is that if you do not register, your data will not be stored. But of course you won't get the discounts and coupons as well.

 

[Heyo]

But notice that Target was only doing this to folks who are registering to their store as members. What the data protection can give you is that if you do not register, your data will not be stored.

That's what I was saying. You are responsible for who you share your data with. Laws can only protect you from criminals, not your own stupidity.

 

[stvdv]

It is tragic to me how plugged in people are. It is like they willingly submit themselves and surrender their precious freedoms and privacy for the sake of convenience and entertainment.

Indeed it is...This is how I see it

I really can't understand how the majority on RF can't (don't, won't) see that the West (globally) is turned into a China like government controlled state, and that Covid and social distancing and other crazy, unscientific measurements are imposed with the only goal to submit and control us, this really has nothing to do with health measurements.

On the other hand I remember that Hitler did similar propaganda and had them all fooled, until it was too late. Obviously people didn't learn a lesson from this

Governments:
1) let censorship sky rocket in 2 years
2) globally take our freedoms away
3) globally create fear and anger and stress
4) take bodily autonany away; impose vaccins
5) lie about cause of Covid
6) lie about cure of covid
7) take known useful meds out of the shops
8) change their covid narrative 'daily' (to create stress)
9) turn people against each other (pit against each other)
10) allow and help billionaires enrich themselves now
11) don't even hide their nefarious plans anymore
(Klaus Schwab (WEF) has it all explained on his website, and it is being executed like clock work AND the Dutch government openly repeat Schwab's words as the goal where they move us, whether we want it or not)

Just to mention a few, easy to see for those who want to see the truth

We all know the trick to control the masses
"Give them bread and plays"
Allowing the rich elite to grab control and amass wealth,
@stvdvRF

 

[stvdv]

You know you can input fake info to create a Google account, right?
Also, you know that even if you don't share your info with paypal, the bank where you have an account is gonna have it, right?
So what's the point?

Obvious to me, and all who know that Big Tech and Big Pharma too has been abused to even put people in jail. Even RF data can be ordered to be surrendered to the Government if they deem it needed.

E.g: In the Netherlands some politicians want to push through a new Law, so that all who disagree with the Government narrative get marked AND will be labelled "psychiatric patient" AND will be forced to undergo psychiatric treatment (well, obviously brainwashing them or reprogramming them will be the next step)

So, @Heyo is right to be careful what to share. Living in Germany I guess he also knows that Hitler, already 80 years ago, had quite a few of such experiments on people running. One need not be a genius to know that these scenarios are already in perfection waiting on the shelves to be implemented whenever the time is best (rather sooner than later for them)

So, @Heyo is clear to me also, being a computer engineer myself (though with a bit of imagination I know it without all that)

You know that that is in violation to the TOS of Google, right?

The bank is here in Germany and highly regulated. They have ample incentive to be careful with my data.

I have studied and worked in computer science. I know how a bunch of innocuous data can be combined into workable information you don't want to have out there.

 

[Stevicus]

I actually don’t think there is too much we can do to stop the progress of surveillance technology, but it’s probably good to be aware of what’s happening. And I don’t think it’s a matter of not having anything to hide because the goal of the system goes beyond that...

“If you know you’re not a bad guy, but you enjoy convenience, it’s tempting to say to yourself, “I have nothing to hide.” If you still have those thoughts, you have a very naïve view of how these systems work and what their ultimate agenda entails.

It’s not just about catching bad guys and bad people.

While they can be used for that purpose, there is much more going on.

The data they are gathering on you is considered valuable for one reason and one reason only: to get you to change your behavior and submit to the beast system – a system that knows where you are at all times, what you are doing, what you are spending your money on, your time on, even what you are thinking.

By giving them your data, you give them the ability to monitor and assess your behavior, which can now be converted into a social credit score. That score is then used to determine what privileges you qualify for and which ones you don’t in the new slave society.”

except from the article:

Silicon Valley Whistleblower: 'SMART Cities' Worldwide Are Being Converted Into 'Open Concentration Camps'

I suppose, although privacy has essentially been dead since (at least) the advent of the Cold War. Fear, such as the fear of communism, has often been used to keep people under control. I'm not sure if there's anything "new" about the "slave society" you mention.

How does it differ from the "slave society" that humans have been living in for thousands of years already?

Technology and modern conveniences might give people the illusion of "freedom" and "empowerment," but that's always been an illusion as far as I've been able to see.

However sometimes, the illusion is broken, and there are those (such as the author of the article you link here) who ostensibly lament the loss of "freedom" that they never had to begin with.

And then there are others who, upon hearing such things, tend to freak out and double down on the idea that "we are free, and anyone who doesn't agree with that must be some kind of loony conspiracy theorist."

 

[Koldo]

E.g: In the Netherlands some politicians want to push through a new Law, so that all who disagree with the Government narrative get marked AND will be labelled "psychiatric patient" AND will be forced to undergo psychiatric treatment (well, obviously brainwashing them or reprogramming them will be the next step)

What's your source for this?

So, @Heyo is right to be careful what to share. Living in Germany I guess he also knows that Hitler, already 80 years ago, had quite a few of such experiments on people running. One need not be a genius to know that these scenarios are already in perfection waiting on the shelves to be implemented whenever the time is best (rather sooner than later for them)

So, @Heyo is clear to me also, being a computer engineer myself (though with a bit of imagination I know it without all that)

I am not saying you should share your entire life in the internet. I am just saying there is no need to worry about sharing info with Paypal since your Bank already has it (and even more), and that you can insert random info to have a Google account.

 

[Secret Chief]

except from the article:

Silicon Valley Whistleblower: 'SMART Cities' Worldwide Are Being Converted Into 'Open Concentration Camps'

"Concentration Camps." Now there's an offensive analogy.

"Here’s the hard truth: We could eliminate every single socialist, communist and Islamist from America tomorrow and we would still be in a heap of trouble because the globalists already have the laws and technological infrastructure in place to convert our Republic into a technocratic slave state."

"eliminate." You read some great stuff.

Keep it up, warrior against the beast system.

 

[InChrist]

"Concentration Camps." Now there's an offensive analogy.

"Here’s the hard truth: We could eliminate every single socialist, communist and Islamist from America tomorrow and we would still be in a heap of trouble because the globalists already have the laws and technological infrastructure in place to convert our Republic into a technocratic slave state."

"eliminate." You read some great stuff.

Keep it up, warrior against the beast system.

The point is not the elimination of anyone. Rather, that even if all political persuasions contrary to freedom and liberty were gone, the surveillance technology and ensuing control is taking place in the U.S. and globally.

 

[sayak83]

Indeed it is...This is how I see it

I really can't understand how the majority on RF can't (don't, won't) see that the West (globally) is turned into a China like government controlled state, and that Covid and social distancing and other crazy, unscientific measurements are imposed with the only goal to submit and control us, this really has nothing to do with health measurements.

On the other hand I remember that Hitler did similar propaganda and had them all fooled, until it was too late. Obviously people didn't learn a lesson from this

Governments:
1) let censorship sky rocket in 2 years
2) globally take our freedoms away
3) globally creates fear and anger and stress
4) take bodily automany away, impose vaxins
5) lie about cause of Covid
6) lie about cure of covid
7) take known useful meds out of the shops
8) changes their covid narrative 'daily' (to create stress)
9) turn people against each other (pit against each other)
10) allow and help billionaires enrich themselves now
11) now doesn't even hide their nefarious plans
(Klaus Schwab has it all explained on his website, and it is being executed like clock work AND the Dutch government openly repeat Schwab's words as the goal where they move us, whether we want it or not)

Just to mention a few, easy to see for those who want to see the truth

We all know the trick to control the masses
"Give them bread and plays"
Allowing the rich elite to grab control and amass wealth,
@stvdvRF

Just nonsense.

 

[stvdv]

Just nonsense.

Fact is:
Your reply is indeed "Just nonsense"

 

[sayak83]

Fact is:
Your reply is indeed "Just nonsense"

Do you have any scientific data or analysis to back up your claims? I have. Covid Vaccines saved 20 million lives in 1 year alone. 20 million people are breathing today because we scientists were able to come up with reasonably good vaccines on time.
COVID-19 vaccines saved an estimated 20 million lives in 1 year

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you have any scientific data or analysis to back up your claims? I have. Covid Vaccines saved 20 million lives in 1 year alone. 20 million people are breathing today because we scientists were able to come up with reasonably good vaccines on time.
COVID-19 vaccines saved an estimated 20 million lives in 1 year

They didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts.

They did it for money and influence.

 

[sayak83]

They didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts.

They did it for money and influence.

Why do you think it would be a charity?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Why do you think it would be a charity?

The way people go on about free this, free that, one would wonder.