diasters

[Draka]

I'm curious; if this happened 3 million years ago, what do you suspect caused it, given that some assume that the current ozone depletion is caused by Man? (Volcanic eruptions maybe? or would have have caused an opposite effect?) Also, how did this process make homo sapiens more adapt to living in those conditions than the Australopithecus Afarensis? And if we have evolved with an adaptive advantage for enduring such conditions, is there any reason to fear that we couldn't survive it again?

(lots of question, sorry, but I'm only mildly educated on this time period)

I know that this question is directed at Jay, but I would just like to point out what I said earlier. You said the bit about volcanic eruptions...well, no one can be entirely sure of what caused it definitely, but the mechanics would be the same. The Earth retains and reflects heat from the sun...if the heat reflected has no where to go and gets trapped in the atmosphere then it warms the earth and does what I said before. The earth has to eventually "heal" itself with drastic measures. As to why the change in survivors it may have to do with evolution and the ability for a species to adapt. Do I think if the same thing were to happen that we would survive? Maybe...but the population would decrease in ways we would not imagine would be my guess.

 

[Draka]

What evidence, if any, is there for the premise that there is enough chlorofluorocarbons in the atmosphere to sufficiently brake down the ozone in the way that it is currently being broken down, or if it has stopped braking down, caused the original depletion in the first place?

CFCs were used quite a bit in the past decades and it was only after the notice of the ozone depleting that the cause was figured out. The damage was already inflicted and the ozone is correcting itself but it takes time. The O2 and the O eventually recombine. They are constantly separating and recombining anyway...the problem is that the CFC caused more to break down than could be recombined at the same rate. Which is why it would take a long time for the ozone to reconstruct itself...it is playing catch-up.

 

[Draka]

http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/climateuncertainties.html

http://www.epa.gov/epahome/ozone.htm

 

[Faint]

I have to think God knew of the things to come because when He created it all He knew what would transpire in each day,life and thought of all He made. The signs we ARE to watch are well stated so I feel it's not just that we're having a bad year it's just that it's come time in the changes of our planet for these things to take place.

Rev.3:5 says though that 'He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment: and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before His angels.....souls we must reach and tell them of the truth could be lost and the blood of them will be on our hands...we must reach out to all and let them know of the love that is there for them and that this is not all there is but there is much to come.

Is this to say that you think the end is nigh?

 

[desiboy]

i hear your thoughts on how the earthquake might be a punishment from god for sins:jam: . my world religions teacher had interesting thoughts on disasters in general. example, a week before the new orleans disaster, a gay parade was going to be held in the french sector of town. don't know if its true, just an interesting thought.

i can't agree with people who say that god wouldn't punish people with a disaster. it's happened in the past, through plagues and wars, so how come it can't happen in this day and age? I feel bad for the people who were righteous and died in the earthquake, but the quran says that righteous people who die in the falling of buildings, among other things, such as drowning, being killed while striving in the way of Allah, etc., will be granted the status of a martyr.

what sin did they commit? read this, for one thing. happened one day before the earthquake. http://www.thepersecution.org/news/2005/mong.html

 

[Jaymes]

Yea, another "interesting thought" in relation to the gay pride parade was that the historically "gay" sections of the city missed most of Katrina's fury. Hmm....

 

[Sunstone]

So, Desiboy, was the recent earthquake in Pakistan God's attempt to get bin Laden? Even if disasters were caused by God, how would any human know exactly what God was trying to accomplish by them?

 

[michel]

Yea, another "interesting thought" in relation to the gay pride parade was that the historically "gay" sections of the city missed most of Katrina's fury. Hmm....

Quite. Good one Jensa.

 

[Bennettresearch]

we have had so many disasters this year. Perhaps we need to look into Revelation and see what God says about this. I know that God is a loving and graceful God, but He is also Holy and can not look at sin. Let us face facts: we all have sinned and fallen short of the grace of God. The world has turned its back on God and His commandments. We take God out of our streets, courts, schools and ridicule any that dares to question this.
Do we expect God to treat any of us diffe4rently then Sodam and Gomarah?
God tells us in His Word, there will be earthquakes, disaters, famine, and birth pains.
Do you think God just might be trying to get our attention?

Yes, I have great compassion and cry over the lives lost, but the souls we must reach. "To live is Christ and to die is Christ."

Hey Grace. Don't read the Bible so literally. As far as Revelation goes, it is symbolic allegory and follows OT prophetic symbolic language. There is a lot of drama to show God's displeasure, but it is not a secular prediction of natural disasters. These events are symbolic of the human reaction to what will be revealed in the prophecy. Kind of like saying "his statement to the board was like an earthquake reducing the room to rubble". Symbolic imagery.

God does not micro-manage our lives. This is an archaic notion of what people believed in ancient times. On a personal spiritual level there is a cause and effect, like Karma, but God does not create any kind of huge devasting disasters because of the actions of some people. These are caused by the same forces that created our planet in the first place.

When I read things like the Sun actually heating up as indicated by increased sunspot activity, or the 40,000 year cycle of ice ages cause by the wobble of the earth's axis, I am not sold on the fact that we are actually directly causing climatic changes or are we able to prevent it in any way.

 

[desiboy]

Yea, another "interesting thought" in relation to the gay pride parade was that the historically "gay" sections of the city missed most of Katrina's fury. Hmm....

like i said, im only repeating what my teacher told me. just if anyone knows, he also said that the general area in new orleans where the parade was to be was "the strip" (bars, casinos, what not) in new orleans. anyone know how the rest of the place fared?

 

[desiboy]

So, Desiboy, was the recent earthquake in Pakistan God's attempt to get bin Laden? Even if disasters were caused by God, how would any human know exactly what God was trying to accomplish by them?

i don't think that God would send an earthquake that would ruin the lives and economy of hundreds of thousands of people just for the punishment of one man. From what i believe, such a calamity, if it did come from god as a punishment, only comes upon people as a whole, if they, as a society, are corrupt. In my point of view, when a disaster comes on such a destructive scale, and it's from god, it can serve as a sign to other people as a warning, and symbolizes how god has abandoned the people who the calamity has struck as a whole.

 

[Bennettresearch]

I know that this question is directed at Jay, but I would just like to point out what I said earlier. You said the bit about volcanic eruptions...well, no one can be entirely sure of what caused it definitely, but the mechanics would be the same. The Earth retains and reflects heat from the sun...if the heat reflected has no where to go and gets trapped in the atmosphere then it warms the earth and does what I said before. The earth has to eventually "heal" itself with drastic measures. As to why the change in survivors it may have to do with evolution and the ability for a species to adapt. Do I think if the same thing were to happen that we would survive? Maybe...but the population would decrease in ways we would not imagine would be my guess.

Hey Draka,

You missed a major point. The reason why the Isthmus of Panama would have an effect on global climate was because it changed the Atlantic Ocean's current which has a direct effect on climate. I haven't found any evidence that this caused the extinction of Australopithicus Afarensis, Lucy, but scientists are much more concerned with Ocean currents than anything else. If the Polar Ice Cap melts and drains into the Atlantic, then it will stop upflow and bring about major changes in Global climate. While CO2 affects climate to a degree, the warming cycles of the earth have happened before we were ever around. This is why there is still a debate on global warming. It might be presumptuous of us to assume that we will be responsible for bringing on another ice age.

 

[jamaesi]

You know, natural disasters just happen, you know, naturally.

Why is everyone so quick to say it was AN ACT OF GAWWWWD?



It´s like blaming colds on demons when we know now it´s just germs.

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

there have been disasters since the beginning of time; maybe we are just in a year in which the odds are against us.

In my opinion, there is no such thing as coincidence

 

[Jaymes]

It´s like blaming colds on demons when we know now it´s just germs.

My grandpa still does that. x_x

like i said, im only repeating what my teacher told me. just if anyone knows, he also said that the general area in new orleans where the parade was to be was "the strip" (bars, casinos, what not) in new orleans. anyone know how the rest of the place fared?

Repeating things you hear without research really isn't a bright idea.

The place it was to be held actually fared pretty well in comparison with the rest of the city. They expected it to be under 20 feet of water, and it didn't even begin to approach that. Windows were shattered. Mild, compared to some places that were completely submerged.

In reply to the OP, it is ridiculous to suggest that a loving god would kill innocents for no reason other than to attempt to punish a few 'wrongdoers.' I can't believe a supposedly all-powerful being would have to resort to natural disasters rather than a well-placed heart attack or car accident.

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

pushaw! the lord on high is too grand for a simple heart attack. He must waste as much pomp and ammunition as he can, to make a point. no one is going to notice a heart attack, but a giant killer wave or a cat. five hurricane is very conspicuous.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) is what was found to break O3 (ozone) into O2 and just O. Therefore breaking up the ozone and weakening it. Even though the U.S. stop producing CFCs in 1996 doesn't mean that a) all countries have, and b) that it still won't take decades for the ozone to reconstruct itself from the damage already inflicted and still in the atmosphere.

Actually, some inhalers, Combuvent at least, contains CFC's. There are some that are CFC free, which is a definit plus, but the downside, and a very big one, it leaves an after taste like something crawled in your mouth, died, and is rotting away.

The magnetic field is shifting, and according to Naked Science (the episode about the earth's core) on the National Geographic Channel, reverses itself every 20,000 years, which also coincides with the Mayan calander predictions for that rare event. A type of "Northern Lights" will occur everywhere, and high amounts of UV rays will get into the atmosphere, which will cause a skin cancer epidemic. The Naked Science people said this event is long over-due, and will happen soon. The Mayan Calander is marked at Dec. 21, 2012. I'm not trying to turn this into another "end of times" thread, my point is, it can be something completly natural that man has no control over that causes these disasters.

 

[Jaymes]

pushaw! the lord on high is too grand for a simple heart attack. He must waste as much pomp and ammunition as he can, to make a point. no one is going to notice a heart attack, but a giant killer wave or a cat. five hurricane is very conspicuous.

Personally I'd be scared sh!tless if all the people that sinned or rejected God started dropping dead of heart attacks.