Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Not cheap, but at least we could stop looking down the back of the sofa...
Huge atom-smasher bid to find missing 95% of Universe
Huge atom-smasher bid to find missing 95% of Universe
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Dark matter and energy hunter
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exchemist
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Hmm. I can't help but wonder if now is the time to commit to the cost of this, when Europe may have to defend Ukraine and other states against Russia, without support from the USA. I feel there are competing priorities in an increasingly dangerous world at the moment and the physicists and cosmologists may have to wait a bit.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
I agree.
Heyo
Veteran Member
I'm with Sabine Hossenfelder on this one. Super colliders have diminishing returns. There is no guarantee, not even in theory, that it will find anything.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Right now, dark matter and dark energy are a math fantasy. There is no lab proof that these exist. Rather dark matter and dark energy are like math placeholders needed to maintain current standard theory, so the Bureaucracy of Science does not have to upgrade to a better and maybe different theory for the universe. Religion gets the lecture of needing lab proof, but we are ignoring this standard in cosmology.
Currently dark matter and energy is used to explain data anomalies within the universe relative to standard theory. However, since dark matter and dark energy have never been seen on the lab, to know 100% if they are real or just a placeholder for a bandaid theory, we could just as well say these affects are due to unicorns. Like dark energy and dark matter, unicorns also have not been seen in the lab, to know if real, or if they have unique properties up for the job.
The nouveau exotic names; dark energy and dark matter, can fool the unsuspecting into thinking the theory is settled, even we are using only a placeholder variable, that is not yet proven to be real. Since all we have is a placeholder, we could also use God as the placeholder. This variable would not change the math, since God has also not been shown in the lab to know all his properties. Does everyone see how the game works? We can stay with dark matter and energy for now, since they invented the game. I can play by these rules.
Gravity, if seen in a new light, can be a better placeholder variable, with no added expenses. I suppose spending $billions adds prestige to any theory, since who would spend so much money for only a placeholder? Big expensive and fancy Bobbles work on emotional thinkers so they will have an edge compare to low budget. But that is fine.
When the forces of nature, like the EM force, lower potential, photons are given off to reflect the change of energy. These photons can then be absorbed by nearby matter increasing their potential in an equal and opposite way; energy conservation. Since gravity creates a force that should give off potential, one might expect a parallel action and reaction effect to occur with gravity.
For example, the universe is expanding relative to the galaxies. If the action of gravity, for galactic (star) contraction, was giving off energy or a space-time potential effect, we should see the opposite of the gravitational contraction, elsewhere. This is observed. We see the space between all the galaxies expanding, in the opposite direction of galactic gravity contractions. This size difference of contraction and expansion; galaxies to space, should happen due to less mass density between the galaxies having to react to the output of orders of magnitude more galactic mass contracting into stars; energy conservation.
An effect we see closer to ourself is the rotation of the earth. Rotation will create a centrifugal force that has a force vector opposite to the pull of gravity; to center of gravity. Gravity pulls downward while the rotation, like a David and Goliath slingshot, will propel the stone away from us. Many galaxies, like the Milky Way, also spiral which would be a centrifugal effect opposite the contraction due to gravity but in a more banded way. This allows us to infer unique early galactic genesis of various galaxies.
Dark matter can also be explained with the concept of the center of gravity. The center of gravity between the earth and moon does not touch either the earth or the moon. It appears to be a magic point in empty space from which dark matter maintains the system. We may not see all the matter and not be able to infer more complex centers of gravity.
Science has been looking for gravitational waves and some have been found, but these alone do not seem to be enough to account for the effects discussed. However, the effect I have in mind is not a wave. If we look at earth's gravity, for simplicity, there are two layers of effects. One is based on General Relativity, while the other is connected to gravitational pressure and work and the phases of matter, such as the phases of water in the inner earth.
If we look at distance and time, the center of the earth, based on General Relativity, has space-time contracting the most at the center of gravity; time and space both contract as we move toward center; check. If we look at the phases of matter of the inner earth at the gradient of the extreme temperatures and pressured created by gravity, distances contract; matter gets denser, but time speed ups; higher frequency energy and matter vibrations as we go to the core. heat. Time is going in two directions, while distance goes in one direction relative to the two gravity affects. This discrepancy in time is the cause of the action and reaction; time potential. Time is not a wave since it goes in one direction; future. It is a single variable that will contract and expand as action and reaction.
Currently dark matter and energy is used to explain data anomalies within the universe relative to standard theory. However, since dark matter and dark energy have never been seen on the lab, to know 100% if they are real or just a placeholder for a bandaid theory, we could just as well say these affects are due to unicorns. Like dark energy and dark matter, unicorns also have not been seen in the lab, to know if real, or if they have unique properties up for the job.
The nouveau exotic names; dark energy and dark matter, can fool the unsuspecting into thinking the theory is settled, even we are using only a placeholder variable, that is not yet proven to be real. Since all we have is a placeholder, we could also use God as the placeholder. This variable would not change the math, since God has also not been shown in the lab to know all his properties. Does everyone see how the game works? We can stay with dark matter and energy for now, since they invented the game. I can play by these rules.
Gravity, if seen in a new light, can be a better placeholder variable, with no added expenses. I suppose spending $billions adds prestige to any theory, since who would spend so much money for only a placeholder? Big expensive and fancy Bobbles work on emotional thinkers so they will have an edge compare to low budget. But that is fine.
When the forces of nature, like the EM force, lower potential, photons are given off to reflect the change of energy. These photons can then be absorbed by nearby matter increasing their potential in an equal and opposite way; energy conservation. Since gravity creates a force that should give off potential, one might expect a parallel action and reaction effect to occur with gravity.
For example, the universe is expanding relative to the galaxies. If the action of gravity, for galactic (star) contraction, was giving off energy or a space-time potential effect, we should see the opposite of the gravitational contraction, elsewhere. This is observed. We see the space between all the galaxies expanding, in the opposite direction of galactic gravity contractions. This size difference of contraction and expansion; galaxies to space, should happen due to less mass density between the galaxies having to react to the output of orders of magnitude more galactic mass contracting into stars; energy conservation.
An effect we see closer to ourself is the rotation of the earth. Rotation will create a centrifugal force that has a force vector opposite to the pull of gravity; to center of gravity. Gravity pulls downward while the rotation, like a David and Goliath slingshot, will propel the stone away from us. Many galaxies, like the Milky Way, also spiral which would be a centrifugal effect opposite the contraction due to gravity but in a more banded way. This allows us to infer unique early galactic genesis of various galaxies.
Dark matter can also be explained with the concept of the center of gravity. The center of gravity between the earth and moon does not touch either the earth or the moon. It appears to be a magic point in empty space from which dark matter maintains the system. We may not see all the matter and not be able to infer more complex centers of gravity.
Science has been looking for gravitational waves and some have been found, but these alone do not seem to be enough to account for the effects discussed. However, the effect I have in mind is not a wave. If we look at earth's gravity, for simplicity, there are two layers of effects. One is based on General Relativity, while the other is connected to gravitational pressure and work and the phases of matter, such as the phases of water in the inner earth.
If we look at distance and time, the center of the earth, based on General Relativity, has space-time contracting the most at the center of gravity; time and space both contract as we move toward center; check. If we look at the phases of matter of the inner earth at the gradient of the extreme temperatures and pressured created by gravity, distances contract; matter gets denser, but time speed ups; higher frequency energy and matter vibrations as we go to the core. heat. Time is going in two directions, while distance goes in one direction relative to the two gravity affects. This discrepancy in time is the cause of the action and reaction; time potential. Time is not a wave since it goes in one direction; future. It is a single variable that will contract and expand as action and reaction.
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wellwisher
Well-Known Member
If you look at the expansion of the universe, we see a universal red shift. What this red shift is doing is causing photons to lower their energy value. As we move from gamma rays toward the direction of radio wave, the energy value of each photon quanta lowers. Since we have energy conservation, where is the lost energy going? This brings up back to the gravity placeholder.
Gravity, via the work and pressure it creates in stars, causes matter to become energy; mass burn during fusion. We essentially have mass, which cannot go the speed of light, becoming photons that can go the speed of light. Gravity in stars causes a movement from inertial reference to a speed of light reference; mass to photons. While the expansion causes this energy to red shift and decay in terms of its original energy value. If we add these together, we get matter to energy and energy heading toward infinite wavelength.
To see an infinite wavelength photon, all stretched out to infinity, you would need to be in a reference at the speed of light, so infinite wavelength could contract and fully fit into that point referencer. Anything less than infinity would be smaller than the point you see. Smaller than a point is an oxymoron. This is the base reference of the universe to which the universe is returning based on an extrapolation of the accelerated expansion; inertial to the speed of light reference.
The gravity action and reaction effect appears to be connected to the action of the second law. Gravity restricts matter and releases energy; heat. This reflects an entropy decrease with a release of energy. The expansion, on the other hand will increase entropy and be endothermic; red shift. If we lower entropy we add potential to the second law, which if connected via action and reaction, can create a vector of increasing entropy we now call dark energy; reaction due to lowering gravity potential output. Entropy is often associated with randomness but it can directed. A condenser can be used to lower the entropy of steam at one preferred location.
The capacitance of space-time is mass; GR. If we expand the mass of a star; super nova, space-time will expand. If we maintain the mass density of a star, a distinct zone of space-time will persist in that region. If we explode the star, local space-time will minimize. Gravity and mass allows for the persistent of very specific space-time zones, while lowering the entropy of matter, such that energy is released; stars. The net effect due to the persistence of mass and gravity, is the second law needs to increase entropy elsewhere to keep the 2nd law increasing; absorbing energy, such as with the red shift.
Entropy, speed of light, mass, space-time, energy and gravity, have common integrated goals. This brings us to separated space and separated time, where time and space can act as independent variables; displayed via the two vectors of time and gravity. If space and time were not connected, we could not have mass, since this is the main glue of space-time. Space-time implies mass. Gravity has to be extreme before energy can add persistence to space-time; black hole. Energy at lessor conditions of gravity and density has the analog of an escape velocity; will try to increase entropy. Without mass we would have a speed of light referenc universe, that would red shift energy so we could only see infinite wavelength in a point universe. Separated space and time would be a place of infinite complexity and infinite entropy, since space and time are not constrained like the there legged race of space-time.
To form our universe, from separated space and separated time, it would require a local decreased from infinite complexity or infinite entropy to something less complex with far less entropy; very exothermic output. Mass would need to appear, soon, to make space-time persistent and for the universe not to just red shift away to nothing. Energy alone would become absorbed into infinite entropy. The life time of the universe is dependent on its mass and gravity holding out against the pull of separated space and separated time; 2nd law.
Gravity, via the work and pressure it creates in stars, causes matter to become energy; mass burn during fusion. We essentially have mass, which cannot go the speed of light, becoming photons that can go the speed of light. Gravity in stars causes a movement from inertial reference to a speed of light reference; mass to photons. While the expansion causes this energy to red shift and decay in terms of its original energy value. If we add these together, we get matter to energy and energy heading toward infinite wavelength.
To see an infinite wavelength photon, all stretched out to infinity, you would need to be in a reference at the speed of light, so infinite wavelength could contract and fully fit into that point referencer. Anything less than infinity would be smaller than the point you see. Smaller than a point is an oxymoron. This is the base reference of the universe to which the universe is returning based on an extrapolation of the accelerated expansion; inertial to the speed of light reference.
The gravity action and reaction effect appears to be connected to the action of the second law. Gravity restricts matter and releases energy; heat. This reflects an entropy decrease with a release of energy. The expansion, on the other hand will increase entropy and be endothermic; red shift. If we lower entropy we add potential to the second law, which if connected via action and reaction, can create a vector of increasing entropy we now call dark energy; reaction due to lowering gravity potential output. Entropy is often associated with randomness but it can directed. A condenser can be used to lower the entropy of steam at one preferred location.
The capacitance of space-time is mass; GR. If we expand the mass of a star; super nova, space-time will expand. If we maintain the mass density of a star, a distinct zone of space-time will persist in that region. If we explode the star, local space-time will minimize. Gravity and mass allows for the persistent of very specific space-time zones, while lowering the entropy of matter, such that energy is released; stars. The net effect due to the persistence of mass and gravity, is the second law needs to increase entropy elsewhere to keep the 2nd law increasing; absorbing energy, such as with the red shift.
Entropy, speed of light, mass, space-time, energy and gravity, have common integrated goals. This brings us to separated space and separated time, where time and space can act as independent variables; displayed via the two vectors of time and gravity. If space and time were not connected, we could not have mass, since this is the main glue of space-time. Space-time implies mass. Gravity has to be extreme before energy can add persistence to space-time; black hole. Energy at lessor conditions of gravity and density has the analog of an escape velocity; will try to increase entropy. Without mass we would have a speed of light referenc universe, that would red shift energy so we could only see infinite wavelength in a point universe. Separated space and time would be a place of infinite complexity and infinite entropy, since space and time are not constrained like the there legged race of space-time.
To form our universe, from separated space and separated time, it would require a local decreased from infinite complexity or infinite entropy to something less complex with far less entropy; very exothermic output. Mass would need to appear, soon, to make space-time persistent and for the universe not to just red shift away to nothing. Energy alone would become absorbed into infinite entropy. The life time of the universe is dependent on its mass and gravity holding out against the pull of separated space and separated time; 2nd law.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Which is exactly what a cosmologist would tell you, if you were willing to listen. Dark Matter and Dark Energy are terms to describe phenomena, they are not hypothesis.
Some hypothesis regarding Dark Matter are WIMP (weakly interacting massive particles), MaCHO (massive compact halo objects) or MoND (modified Newton dynamics). MaCHOs are basically out but MoND and multiple WIMP hypothesis have not been falsified, yet. (Though they all have weaknesses in explaining Dark Matter.)
(Rest of post ignored as it rests on the false premise.)
The story lines that writers come up with are hilarious.
I guess, they are trying to find a reason to keep wasting resources.