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Contradictions in the Bible

newhope101

Active Member
The bible stands out amongst many supposed inspired writings for a number of reasons. The thing that stands out most is that the bible writers do not take any glory for themselves. How's often does that happen with other teachings. Even Jesus told his followers to pray to God. This is quite remarkable in that all other non biblical prophets, that come to mind, make huge to do about themselves. The bible writers although they stated they recieved visions etc did not glorify themselves as being anything special and making money out of it. Yes the pope declared himself omnipotent, and that's about self glorification which shows the pope is not a disciple of God. The bible speaks of the circle of earth at a time when it was generally accepted that the world was flat. Some of the commandments addresed specific hygiene issues at a time where germs were unheard of and disease was generally attributed to evil spirits. Some of these commmandments were to wash hands prior to eating after toileting and burying feaces. These simple rules assisted the Isrealites to proliferate as a nation. The bible also speaks of 'the blueprint of you', how close is that to discussing DNA, which is a relatively recent science. Although there is controvery over Genesis the bible accurately portrays the stages that life appeared on the planet earth and agrees that the earth was once barren and lifeless. The bible also states that there will be signs in the last days that would occur all over the earth and the peole of that time will see it. In bible times, without radio and television this would be a huge ask. It's almost as though God knew mankind would have the technology that would ensure this occured and all of humanity would be able to discern what was happeneing. All these points and others makes the bible fairly insightfull for the time it was written or extemely good guesses considering that the bible writers would not have understood that one day science would develop to confirm or refute that information.
I feel that faith is needed because it was written by mankind that had limited scientific knowledge. It is a spiritual guide. Christians are asked to have faith because it is prophesied that many would come with the reasonings of man so as to mislead even those that would be righteous. Many have fallen away from the faith with the science of genetics and the theory of evolution. It appears so convincing to many. Yet the bible never said

So many scientists are currently disparraging of each others work and unable to agree what their finds mean. They have such trouble trying to decipher the genetics and who must have come from where. Creationists do not have this dilemna. As Information comes to light it fits in perfectly with what we already believe to be the truth about how mankind came to be. The more information scientists find the more confused they appear to be, unable to agree on so many issues. Creationists are not surprised.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
The bible stands out amongst many supposed inspired writings for a number of reasons. The thing that stands out most is that the bible writers do not take any glory for themselves. How's often does that happen with other teachings. Even Jesus told his followers to pray to God. This is quite remarkable in that all other non biblical prophets, that come to mind, make huge to do about themselves. The bible writers although they stated they recieved visions etc did not glorify themselves as being anything special and making money out of it. Yes the pope declared himself omnipotent, and that's about self glorification which shows the pope is not a disciple of God.
This was not uncommon for the time period. When looking at other pieces of work around that time, the Bible doesn't stick out too much. There was no reason to try to make money out of them as the time period was very different. For instance, the majority of people were by far illiterate. Taking that into account, your point here really doesn't hold much water.
The bible speaks of the circle of earth at a time when it was generally accepted that the world was flat.
You should do a little more research into this. Some would argue that the Bible even states that the Earth is flat. Either way, the point is moot because by the time much of the Bible was being written, the idea of a spherical Earth was already spreading. Pythagorus, around the 6th century B.C.E. even suggested that the Earth was a sphere and not flat.
Some of the commandments addresed specific hygiene issues at a time where germs were unheard of and disease was generally attributed to evil spirits. Some of these commmandments were to wash hands prior to eating after toileting and burying feaces. These simple rules assisted the Isrealites to proliferate as a nation.
Actually, this is not very surprising. We see this in many cultures and it was simply from rationalizing. They ate with dirty hands, and got sick. Well there is something wrong with that. Someone washes their hands before eating, they are healthy, it catches on. We see this with many societies not connected with the Bible at all.
The bible also speaks of 'the blueprint of you', how close is that to discussing DNA, which is a relatively recent science.
Not close at all. It is only close if you want to grasp at straws.

Although there is controvery over Genesis the bible accurately portrays the stages that life appeared on the planet earth and agrees that the earth was once barren and lifeless.
The Genesis account is very different from what is accepted. The Genesis account actually consists of two different accounts. Really, you have no argument here.
The bible also states that there will be signs in the last days that would occur all over the earth and the peole of that time will see it. In bible times, without radio and television this would be a huge ask. It's almost as though God knew mankind would have the technology that would ensure this occured and all of humanity would be able to discern what was happeneing.
The largest problem here though is that many of the writers of the Bible thought they were living in the end times. Paul, for instance, believed he was living in the end times and wrote accordingly. More so, if we take what you say, we can not be living in the end times today either. There are many places around the world that are still cut off. Even here in America many people are cut off from what is happening around the world.

The so called signs have been seen in nearly every generation. Certainly there have been some that have never been seen, but the so called signs we are seeing now have already occurred countless times before. Really, I could even write prophecies of the end times that would be just as accurate if not more so.

All these points and others makes the bible fairly insightfull for the time it was written or extemely good guesses considering that the bible writers would not have understood that one day science would develop to confirm or refute that information.
And science does refute a lot of the evidence in the Bible. History refutes much of the evidence. When it comes down to it, the Bible it not much more insightful that many of the pieces of work written during it's time. The difference is that the Bible is composed of many different pieces of work that cover such a long time period. And as would be expected, one can see that the writers showed some of the influences during that time.

When looked at, the Bible is not miraculous in any way. It has the same human flaws as one would expect with other pieces of work spanning that time era as well.



The problem that you are seeing really isn't existing though. Scientist are not becoming more confused with the information that they are gaining. They are finding that it is fitting to what they know. The fact is, evolution is a fact. We know that it occurs. We know that the Creationists really have no evidence supporting their case. We know that science is enlightening many of us. A major problem is that Creationists are spreading myths that if one would actually look into, they would find that they were bogus.
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
Let's face it, all the contradictions, added to the fact of no independant historical verrification, make the gospels works of fiction and not fact.

You are falling for a fallacy. Truth is independent of evidence, evidence are just for a human brain to judge if it is a truth or not.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
According to the Bible's own theologians, the orginal scriptures are all doubtful and is quite hilarious that even the Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and is a man made work..

"How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"




Yes i'm a Muslim, but my intension is not to descredit the Bible and other Gospels, just wanted to share the contradictions that the Bible has as it has been pointed out by many Muslim scholars which the same were not being pointed out by Christian missionaries.. :)
Of course the Bible is a work of humanity. Do you think it fell out of the sky in its present form??? The Bible is precisely what it's supposed to be. It's you who is creating a joke by forcing an identity onto the Bible that is false. It's a straw man.
 

logician

Well-Known Member
You are falling for a fallacy. Truth is independent of evidence, evidence are just for a human brain to judge if it is a truth or not.

Truth is independent of evidence?

LOL, that's a new one.

Throw out the scientific method.:shrug:
 

allright

Active Member
Where was Jesus at the sixth hour?

Mark used Jewish time

John used Roman time

Is it asking too much for your Muslim Scholars to at least know that
 

S-word

Well-Known Member
Where was Jesus at the sixth hour?

Mark used Jewish time

John used Roman time

Is it asking too much for your Muslim Scholars to at least know that

John 11: 9; Jesus answered,"Are there not 12 hours in the day? If any man walks in the day, he doesn't stumble, because he sees the light of the world. A night has 12 hours as does a day. At the 6th hour/midnight, of the day of preparation to the Passover, the day on which the Pascal Lamb/Jesus had to be killed, which day had begun at sunset, and at the sixth Hour/midnight according to John, Pitate was passing judgement on Jesus. Pilate's wife had just woken up and told her husband that it had been revealed to her in a dream that Jesus was innocent, and the Jewish authorities, who were there would not enter into the Palace of Pilate the Gentile, in order that they be not defiled and unable to eat of the passover next evening at sunset, which would be the close of the day of preparation and the beginning of the day of Passover.

Mark 15: 25; And it was the third hour of the 12 hours of daylight of the day of preparation to the Passover that they crucified the sacrificial Lamb of God. At the 6th hour of the 12 hours of daylight/midday, the sun was eclipsed for three hours by an incoming heavenly object and Israel remained in the darkness of its shadow for three hours. At the 9th hour/3 PM, Jesus died and the impact shockwaves shook the earth and the mountains moved and the veil before the inner most sanctuary of the temple of God was torn from top to bottom.

By the 12th hour Joseph was burrying Jesus in his own family tomb that had never been used, while the Jewish authorities were sitting down to eat of the Lambs that they had slaughtered that day, not realising that they had also killed the reality of that Passover ceremony, when they gave Jesus, "The lamb of God," over to sinful men to be slaughtered.
 
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Smoke

Done here.
Of course the Bible is a work of humanity. Do you think it fell out of the sky in its present form???
No, but the worst sort of Christian believes something pretty much like that. Muzu thinks he's smarter; he believes the Qur'an, for all intents and purposes, fell out of the sky in its present form, which is just as ridiculous.
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The historical errors and contradictions prove that the bible and the Gospels are not the word of GOD Almighty..



1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

Second Samuel 24:1 states: “Again the anger of Jehovah came to be hot against Israel, when one incited David [or, “when David was incited,” footnote] against them, saying: ‘Go, take a count of Israel and Judah.’” But it was not Jehovah who moved King David to sin, for 1 Chronicles 21:1 says: “Satan [or, “a resister,” footnote] proceeded to stand up against Israel and to incite David to number Israel.” God was displeased with the Israelites and therefore allowed Satan the Devil to bring this sin upon them. For this reason, 2 Samuel 24:1 reads as though God did it himself. Interestingly, Joseph B. Rotherham’s translation reads: “The anger of Yahweh kindled against Israel, so that he suffered David to be moved against them saying, Go count Israel and Judah.”


2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

At 2 Samuel 24:9 the figures are 800,000 Israelites and 500,000 Judeans, whereas 1 Chronicles 21:5 numbers Israel’s fighting men at 1,100,000 and Judah’s at 470,000. Enlisted regularly in the royal service were 288,000 troops, divided into 12 groups of 24,000, each group serving one month during the year. There were an additional 12,000 attendant on the 12 princes of the tribes, making a total of 300,000. Apparently the 1,100,000 of 1 Chronicles 21:5 includes this 300,000 already enlisted, whereas 2 Samuel 24:9 does not. (Numbers 1:16; Deuteronomy 1:15; 1 Chronicles 27:1-22)

3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

As regards Judah, 2 Samuel 24:9 apparently included 30,000 men in an army of observation stationed on the Philistine frontiers but which were not included in the figure at 1 Chronicles 21:5. (2 Samuel 6:1)

4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

Whereas 2 Samuel 24:13 says seven years of famine, 1 Chronicles 21:12 says three. (The Greek Septuagint reads “three” in the Samuel account.) One proffered explanation is that the seven years referred to at Second Samuel would, in part, be an extension of the three years of famine that came because of the sin of Saul and his house against the Gibeonites. (2Sa 21:1, 2) The current year (the registration took 9 months and 20 days [2Sa 24:8]) would be the fourth, and three years to come would make seven. Although the difference may have been due to a copyist’s error, a full knowledge of all the facts and circumstances should be had before one reaches such a conclusion.

5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

2 Kings 8:25.26 says " In the twelfth year of Je·ho′ram the son of A′hab the king of Israel, A·ha·zi′ah the son of Je·ho′ram the king of Judah became king. Twenty-two years old was A·ha·zi′ah when he began to reign, and for one year he reigned in Jerusalem. And his mother’s name was Ath·a·li′ah the granddaughter of Om′ri the king of Israel. " Most extant manuscrips say at 2 Chron. 22:2 "Twenty-two years old was A·ha·zi′ah when he began to reign, and for one year he reigned in Jerusalem. And his mother’s name was Ath·a·li′ah the granddaughter of Om′ri."

6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

Once again, most extant manuscripts say 18, not 8 at 2 Chron. 36:9

7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

It is obvious the writer of 2 Kings approximated the length of Jehoichins reign while the writer of 2 Chron. was more exact.

I think the above is sufficient to show that so-called contradictions are not valid with a little research. The differences in Bible accounts can often be attributed to the viewpoint and purpose of the writers, and show there was no collusion to create a false record. To the contrary, the Bible, written a period of 1600 years, is remarkably coherent and consistent, marking it as what it claims to be 'The Word of God'. (l Thessalonians 1:13)
 

AaronG

Member
Peacewise has a good point.

Have you done the research yourself or are you just cutting and pasting? If you're really interested in the truth then check an Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties like the one by Gleason Archer.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Better yet....

Take your favored quote, and cross reference that quote as many times as you can.
Your favored quote should be that item you apply to yourself.

So instead of making lengthy lists...as if to discourage people from reading and trusting scripture....
You would have a better grip...and pronouncement of what you do believe.
 

S-word

Well-Known Member
Not only has the bible been corrupted by innocently introduced copyists errors, and misinterpretations of what was being conveyed originally, but also the yeast that was deliberately added to the bread that came down from heaven by the priestly authorities in order to attempt to justify their lies, such as the virgin birth. by changing the Hebrew word “Almah” which means “Unmarried Woman,” to “Virgin,” and “parthenos,” to “Virgin”also, Parthenos which carries the basic meaning of girl, and denotes virgin only by implication and Matthew who was translating Isaiah’s prophecy that an “Almah’ (Unmarried woman) would be with child, was in no way implying that the unmarried woman was a virgin.

But if one is willing to be guided by the spirit, who is the author of the Bible which was written by earthly scribes who were under the control of our indwelling ancestral Father soirit, the truth can still be found. In fact, I have found that most apparent contradictions are there to hide some fundamental truth. For instance when we look to 1st Chronicles 2: 16; in the Good News Bible, it is said that Jesse had two daughters who are Zeruiah and Abigail, but in the King James translation it is said the David had two sisters, who were Zeruiah and Abigail. Now most people would see no contradiction here, for if Zeruaih and Abigail are the daughters of Jesse, then they must be the sisters of David, the youngest of Jesses seven sons. On seeking the truth, you will find that the Hebrew word used here is “achoth,” which means “Sister.”

So what if the mother of Jesse’s previous six sons had died, and the mother of David, a second wife of Jesse, had already birth the two elder sisters of David to another man? And indeed, that’s exactly what we find in 2nd Samuel 17: 25; for it is said there, that Zeruaih and Abigail are the daughters of King Nahash.

But while reading from 1st Chronicles, we were told that Jesse had sired only seven sons, and they were, in order of age, Eliab, Amminadab, and Shammah etc. But, as I am 69, having been fed on a steady diet of the bread that came down from heaven for at least 58 years, one remembers having read in 1st Samuel 17: 12; that Jesse had eight sons, which appears to be in direct conflict with 1st Chronicles 2: 12: which names only seven biological sons of Jesse. Perhaps this other brother of Jesus may have been the son of his mother also.

Now we turn to 1st Samuel 16: 6 -11; this is where Samuel is sent by the Lord to the house of Jesse to choose one of his sons to replace King Saul, and seven of the eight sons of Jesse are presented in order of their ages, first Eliab, then Amminadab, and then Shammah etc, etc, but the Lord rejected all of David’s seven older brothers, and Samuel asked Jesse if he had any other sons, and Jesse answered, “There is still the youngest (David) but he is out taking care of the sheep.” David is then called in and through Samuel, David is chosen by the Lord then anointed by Samuel, who then departed.

So we know that this mysterious eighth son of Jesse, who is not recorded among his biological sons, is older than David, the last of the eight to be presented to Samuel. But where can we find him? Lets return to 2nd Samuel 17: 25; where it is said that Zeruaih and Abigail, the sisters of David, are the daughters of Nahash, and in the very next verse we are told that when David arrived at Mahanaim, he was met by Shobi the son of Nahash. And there you have it: the spirit has guided you to one of many fundamental truths that are hidden within what would appear to be a contradiction in scripture.

The Cherubs on the lid of the covenant box which is situated beneath the two greater cherubs within the Holy of Holies behind the veil to the inner most sanctuary of God's Temple, are the representations of the chariot of God, but in what form were they depicted? I have seen them depicted as winged lions, and winged human-like angelic beings, but my gut feeling, or rather my indwelling ancestral spirit, rejected these as representing the chariot of God, then I remembered reading in the book of Sirach, that Ezekiel described the cherubs, so I went back to what I had read many time before, but this time, determined to find that which was hidden.

In Ezekiel 1: 10, Ezekiel describes the four faces of the living creature that he first saw by the river Chebar, and they were the face of a Human, a lion, a bull, and an eagle. Then in chapter 10: 14; when he sees the living creature for a second time, Ezekiel describes the four faces, as that of a cherub, a man, a lion, and an eagle.

Why had I missed it earlier? Why? Because I had been reading from the Good News translation, which had changed the face of a cherub in the second instance to that of a bull in order that it would not contradict the first description of the four faces, but it is in the apparent contradiction that the secret had been hidden, the face of a cherub is represented in the form of a bull, for Ezekiel, after introducing this apparent contradiction, goes on to say in verse 22 of chapter ten, that the faces of the creature that he saw for the second time, were exactly the same as the faces that he had seen in the first instance, by the river Chebar: thereby revealing that the chariot of God is depicted as the winged bull, and “The Milky Way,” is the pathway of the bull. Psalms 18: 9-12; "He tore the sky open and came down with a dark cloud beneath his feet. He came flying upon a cherub, flying on the wings of the wind. He covered himself with darkness; thick clouds, full of water surrounded him. Hailstones and flashes of fire came from the lightning before him and broke through the dark clouds.

Another apparent contradiction which reveals a great hidden mystery, is in the fact that after creating the beasts of the earth, great and small on the sixth period of universal activity, or the sixth day, God is pleased with what he saw, something that he does not utter in every other instance until the end of the creation of each particular day, immediately before the darkness that precedes the next day of creation. But here on the sixth day, mankind who is created on the seventh day, and was cast out of paradise, back to the earth from which he was created, where he was clothed with animal skin, flesh, and nerves etc, is created in the sixth day by the plural God (The “Son of Man,”) who for the first time says, “And now let us make mankind in our image and likeness.

Opening an apparent contradiction, to me, is like opening a thunder bubble, to find the wonderful gem that is hidden therein.
 
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S-word

Well-Known Member
QUOTE: rusra02 ; post 31: How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

Joram/Jehoram, who married Athaliah the sister of Ahaziah, who died without having sired any heir, began to rule Israel with his wife Athaliah the daughter of Ahab in the 18th year of the reign of his father Jehoshaphat in Judah. In the fifth year of the reign in Israel of Ahab’s son-in-law, "Joram/Jehoram," his father, "Jehoshaphat," who had become king of Judah at the age of 35 and had ruled in Jerusalem for 25 years, made his son Joram/Jehoram, the eldest of six sons, king of Judah also, before he, “Jehoshaphat,” died two years later.

Joram/Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat and husband to Athaliah the daughter of Ahab, who had ruled Israel for 5 years, became King of Judah at the age of 32, and he ruled in Jerusalem for eight years.

12 years after his father "Joram/Jehoram," had begun to reign in Israel, and in the 7th or 8th year of Joram/Jehoram’s duel reign of both Israel and Judah, Ahaziah, the youngest son of "Joram/Jehoram and Athaliah," became king of Judah at the age of 22. (See Good News Bible, 2nd Kings 8:26, and 2nd Chronicles 22:2) Ahaziah, who was named after his mother’s brother, “Ahaziah the son of Ahab," only ruled for a year or two when He, "Ahaziah," the King of Judah, and his father "Joram/Jehoram," the disease ridden king of Israel, were both killed by Jehu, who then went and killed Jezebel the wife of Ahab and mother of Athaliah and took the throne of Joram/Jehoram, in Israel.

As soon as Athaliah knew of the death of her husband "Joram/Jehoram," the king of Israel,, and her son "Ahaziah," the king of Judah, she gave orders for all the members of the royal family to be killed, only Joash, one of Ahaziah’s sons survived, he remained hidden for 6 years, while Athaliah the daughter of Ahab and wife of Joram/Jehoram, ruled in Jerusalem.

You may wish to do a little more research on this yourself, but this was enough to address the questions that I needed to be answered. KJV: 2nd Chronicles 22: 5-7; (5) "And Ahaziah went with "Jehoram" the son of Ahab to war against Hazael king of Syria at "Ramoth-gilead:" and the Syrians smote "Joram." (6) And he returned to be healed in Jezreel because of the wounds that were given him at "Ramah," when he fought with Hazael king of Syria. And "Azariah" (Azahiah) the son of "Jehoram" king of Judah, went down to see "Jehoram" the son of Abab at Jezreel, because he was sick. (7) And the destruction of "Ahaziah" was of God by coming to "Joram:" for when he was come, he went out with "Jehoram" against Jehu the son of Nimshi, whom the Lord had anointed to cut off the house of Ahab. 2nd Kings 8: 25; "In the 12th year of the reign of Joram son of Ahab as king of Israel, Ahaziah son of Jehoram became king of Judah. 2nd Kings 9: 29; Ahaziah had become king of Judah in the 11th year that Joram son of Ahab was king of Israel. Best of luck matey.
 
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Twig pentagram

High Priest
If I manage to explain any one of them is not a contradiction, your whole list will lose its credibility, because the contradiction is not a contradiction as you think.

1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

The OT is sometimes written in the absolute sense of God's sovereignty, in this writing style whatever happened can be considered as "God allows it" or even "God did it". It's just as a matter of perspective.

Another example is that "who built the white house?". From the different perspectives you may have different answers, such as the construction workers, the architect who designed it, the americans, or simply humans. The can all be correct answers depending on what perspective the dialogue is about.

Now the "contradiction" here is, who actually built the white house? The construction workers, or the architect who designed it, or the americans or the humans? That's your so-called contradiction!


2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

Now send 2 independent agents to Iraq then report back the death toll of the whole war, using a more premitive way without using any modern tools or the media, if both the agents report back with exactly the same number, they must be kidding.

Witnessing does require those 2 agents report back the same number, as long as they report honestly and their reports contain the most reliable truth at the moment, their reports can be considered as the valid or even the best witnessing.


I can go on, but I think that it's good enough to illustrate that your list makes no sense to be called the contradictions.
I strongly disagree.
 

S-word

Well-Known Member
Anybody that denies that the bible has contradictions is blinded by faith.

Any book such as the Old Testament, which has been copied, re-translated into the various evolving languages, and re-interpreted according to new data etc, for over three thousand years, is bound to be riddled with apparent contradictions.

Not only has the Old Testament been corrupted by innocently introduced copyists errors, and misinterpretations of what was being conveyed originally, but also, by the yeast that was deliberately added to the bread that came down from heaven by the priestly authorities in order to justify their false and misleading concepts. Nevertheless, in the majority of cases, the bible itself can reveal where, why, and even how the errors were introduced.

The two books of Samuel record the transition in Israel from the period of the judges to the establishment of the monarchy and end with King David buying the threshing floor of Araunah for 50 pieces of silver. See 1st Samuel 24: 24.

Whereas the two books of Chronicles simply recount the events recorded in Samuel and Kings and record the period up to the release of the Israelites from their Babylonian captivity, and were written well after the Temple was rebuilt when Cyrus had released the Israelites and allowed them to return to the land of their rightful inheritance.

In the days of David, silver was held to be more precious than gold, but after Solomon had established all his silver mines, silver became as common in Jerusalem as stone, and cedar was as plentiful as ordinary sycamore in the foothills of Jerusalem. See 1st Kings 10: 27. The account in 1st Chronicles 21: 25; where it is said that King David paid to Arunah, six hundred gold coins for his threshing floor, shows that the value of 50 pieces of silver pre-Solomon, was equivalent to 6 hundred gold coins by the time that Israel was released from their Babylonian captivity.
 
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Thief

Rogue Theologian
All right....you want contradictions?

Mark, Matthew, and Luke...report the Carpenter leaving the river of His baptism and going straightway to the wilderness to be tempted...by the devil.
Forty days and nights.

John reports a day by day account, as the Carpenter leaves the river and begins calling to Himself the first of His followers, and is seen at a wedding feast changing water into wine. All within three days.

Which is true?

And how would anyone know the dialog in the wilderness? unless the Carpenter Himself is doing the report?

And if the John is correct, not mentioning the wilderness at all, then did the temptation take place? Apparently not.

And though there is indication that Jesus did approach John the baptist, the report does not specifically state that the Baptist did actually perform the ritual unto the Man.
 
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S-word

Well-Known Member
All right....you want contradictions?

Mark, Matthew, and Luke...report the Carpenter leaving the river of His baptism and going straightway to the wilderness to be tempted...by the devil.
Forty days and nights.

John reports a day by day account, as the Carpenter leaves the river and begins calling to Himself the first of His followers, and is seen at a wedding feast changing water into wine. All within three days.

Which is true?

And how would anyone know the dialog in the wilderness? unless the Carpenter Himself is doing the report?

And if the John is correct, not mentioning the wilderness at all, then did the temptation take place? Apparently not.

And though there is indication that Jesus did approach John the baptist, the report does not specifically state that the Baptist did actually perform the ritual unto the Man.

Not only does John leave out the temptation in the wilderness, but he also makes no mention of the actual time of the baptism of Jesus. The Jewish authorities had sent out their messemgers to put John the Baptist through the third degree, and it was the next day, which could have been some 40 odd days after he had baptised his second cousin Jesus, that he pointed out the man Jesus as the "Lamb of God," and it is then that he recounts the day that he had baptised him, perhaps some 40 odd days or so in the past.

For here we learn that John not only knew his second cousin Jesus, but he acknowledged that Jesus was far greater than he. John believed that he was not worthy enough to baptise his second cousin, believeing that Jesus should actually baptise him, and this was before he even Knew that he was the promised one, because he goes on to admit that it was not until he rose from the batismal waters and the spirit of our Lord God and saviour descended upon him in the form of a dove, that he realised that Jesus, his second cousin was the promised one. Although, John was later to doubt if Jesus really was the promised Messiah, or if they had to wait for another one. Goodnight mate, it's 10 minutes to midnight, and I'm off to drop the lead in the weeping willow and plow the deep.
 
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