Bahaism and faults I personally find with it.

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1. In Kitabal Itqaan, Du'a Nudbah is quoted heavily. In that prayer from Imam Mahdi (a) about Imam Mahdi (a), we read "You have the position to me as Aaron does to Moses except that there is no Prophet after me". We also read about if we can arrange a meeting with Imam Mahdi (a) and that he finds a way to meet us. We also read that for every people there is a guide interpreted in a way to imply Ali (A) is the guide after Mohammad (s) and the earth is never left without a Guide from God. We also read that there is always a Baqiyatallah (remainder of God) in a household of guidance at all times. We talk directly to Imam Mahdi (A) in Du'a Nudbah as well as to God. So he proves he is alive.

2. "seal of Anbiya" doesn't mean Mohammad (s) is the last, because all Nabis (a) are first and last Nabis (a), meaning Adam (a) is also the last Nabi frankly, is sophistry. If God can't say Mohammad (s) is the last Nabi in any shape and form, to inform us there is no Nabi after Mohammad (s) because sophistry can be played with any arrangements of words, then it doesn't make sense. That means no matter how God says it whatever way God says it, it's going to be denied on this basis.

3. Every Nabi or Rasool has an Ahlulbayt. This is found in Quran, they come in groups related to each other spiritually yes, but also to stop forgery and fake Prophets and Imams and limit who can attempt to fake their status, it makes it that succession is always blood related. Bab and Baha'allah were not blood related, and Baha'allah's children eventually came to Islam and succession couldn't continue in his offspring. This is a sign of a false Prophet per Quran.

4. Isa (a) is not the day of judgment of Musa (a) even by his day of judgment concept. Let's say era of Mohammad, includes his successors, and then Baha'allah is the day of rising and judgment for Mohammad's (s) era, by this notion, Isa (a) is not a day of judgment of Musa because it would be like saying one of the twelve successors of Mohammad (s) is the day of judgment of Mohammad (s). Successors are under the "covenant" of the founder, Isa (a) was end of line of successors, and not a founder like Musa (a). So he fails even per his own explanation of day of judgment to get it right.

5. The day of judgment is a day where everyone is certain of God's existence Prophets and know they are right per Quran and that there is no room for repentance that day and nothing will be accepted for exchange and no intercession will benefit except souls who already believed in the signs and did good. It's a day where no soul can control for another soul and the whole matter is in God's hand. It's a day when finally hell will take it's full reality while even in the life after death, it's not fully manifest, and people still don't know reality fully though they are punished in grave, it's no where perceivable as in the day of judgment level. This is so clear in the Quran, to deny judgment day, is full dishonesty to Quran. To interpret the Bahai way, is to fall in the realms of sophistry to Quran to a next new level and not let Quran explain itself.

6. There is Twelve Successors to founders always per Quran and hadiths. The Bab doesn't have twelve successors.

7. There is no Guide in the moment on earth per Bahais, and so this contradicts so many hadiths that say there is a guide on earth and also contradicts Quran which shows there is a witness and driver of souls and leader and guide and caller to God in all times.

8. There are mistakes, like Baha'allah interpretation of Mohammad (s) connecting reality verse in Surah Ana'aam, it shows he didn't understand it and made up some silly absurd meaning to it.

9. Stoning is taught that it was once allowed or taught by the Prophet per Baha'allah, while Quran shows it was never allowed so he verifies false hadiths often like this that contradict Quran.

10. Mohammad (s) and his family (a) are the best of creation per Quran and ahadith, and so it doesn't make sense not to end with them.

11. Circumstantial evidence is used, for example hadiths of the Mahdi bringing a new religion, yet other hadiths explain that it's because it's been corrupted so much that when he brings the teachings of Mohammad (s) and Quran back in truth, it seems like a new religion. The Quran is also like a new book when he revives it and brings it's explanation. They only show the hadiths about new religion while ignoring the many that explain them. This makes it circumstantial evidence but it's half truths as well. We also have hadiths that there is no book after Quran (many of them) in explaining the seal of Prophets (a) verse.

12. The Imams (a) would have emphasized on seal of Anbiya not to mean end of Anbiya, if it was the case, but they did the opposite, they emphasized there is no new book after Quran due to it.

 

[2ndpillar]

1. In Kitabal Itqaan, Du'a Nudbah is quoted heavily. In that prayer from Imam Mahdi (a) about Imam Mahdi (a), we read "You have the position to me as Aaron does to Moses except that there is no Prophet after me". We also read about if we can arrange a meeting with Imam Mahdi (a) and that he finds a way to meet us. We also read that for every people there is a guide interpreted in a way to imply Ali (A) is the guide after Mohammad (s) and the earth is never left without a Guide from God. We also read that there is always a Baqiyatallah (remainder of God) in a household of guidance at all times. We talk directly to Imam Mahdi (A) in Du'a Nudbah as well as to God. So he proves he is alive.

2. "seal of Anbiya" doesn't mean Mohammad (s) is the last, because all Nabis (a) are first and last Nabis (a), meaning Adam (a) is also the last Nabi frankly, is sophistry. If God can't say Mohammad (s) is the last Nabi in any shape and form, to inform us there is no Nabi after Mohammad (s) because sophistry can be played with any arrangements of words, then it doesn't make sense. That means no matter how God says it whatever way God says it, it's going to be denied on this basis.

3. Every Nabi or Rasool has an Ahlulbayt. This is found in Quran, they come in groups related to each other spiritually yes, but also to stop forgery and fake Prophets and Imams and limit who can attempt to fake their status, it makes it that succession is always blood related. Bab and Baha'allah were not blood related, and Baha'allah's children eventually came to Islam and succession couldn't continue in his offspring. This is a sign of a false Prophet per Quran.

4. Isa (a) is not the day of judgment of Musa (a) even by his day of judgment concept. Let's say era of Mohammad, includes his successors, and then Baha'allah is the day of rising and judgment for Mohammad's (s) era, by this notion, Isa (a) is not a day of judgment of Musa because it would be like saying one of the twelve successors of Mohammad (s) is the day of judgment of Mohammad (s). Successors are under the "covenant" of the founder, Isa (a) was end of line of successors, and not a founder like Musa (a). So he fails even per his own explanation of day of judgment to get it right.

5. The day of judgment is a day where everyone is certain of God's existence Prophets and know they are right per Quran and that there is no room for repentance that day and nothing will be accepted for exchange and no intercession will benefit except souls who already believed in the signs and did good. It's a day where no soul can control for another soul and the whole matter is in God's hand. It's a day when finally hell will take it's full reality while even in the life after death, it's not fully manifest, and people still don't know reality fully though they are punished in grave, it's no where perceivable as in the day of judgment level. This is so clear in the Quran, to deny judgment day, is full dishonesty to Quran. To interpret the Bahai way, is to fall in the realms of sophistry to Quran to a next new level and not let Quran explain itself.

6. There is Twelve Successors to founders always per Quran and hadiths. The Bab doesn't have twelve successors.

7. There is no Guide in the moment on earth per Bahais, and so this contradicts so many hadiths that say there is a guide on earth and also contradicts Quran which shows there is a witness and driver of souls and leader and guide and caller to God in all times.

8. There are mistakes, like Baha'allah interpretation of Mohammad (s) connecting reality verse in Surah Ana'aam, it shows he didn't understand it and made up some silly absurd meaning to it.

9. Stoning is taught that it was once allowed or taught by the Prophet per Baha'allah, while Quran shows it was never allowed so he verifies false hadiths often like this that contradict Quran.

10. Mohammad (s) and his family (a) are the best of creation per Quran and ahadith, and so it doesn't make sense not to end with them.

11. Circumstantial evidence is used, for example hadiths of the Mahdi bringing a new religion, yet other hadiths explain that it's because it's been corrupted so much that when he brings the teachings of Mohammad (s) and Quran back in truth, it seems like a new religion. The Quran is also like a new book when he revives it and brings it's explanation. They only show the hadiths about new religion while ignoring the many that explain them. This makes it circumstantial evidence but it's half truths as well. We also have hadiths that there is no book after Quran (many of them) in explaining the seal of Prophets (a) verse.

12. The Imams (a) would have emphasized on seal of Anbiya not to mean end of Anbiya, if it was the case, but they did the opposite, they emphasized there is no new book after Quran due to it.

The stoning of # 9 could be rectified by including the story of the household goat eating that portion. But then again, I thought the Koran was under the protection of Allah.

 

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The stoning of # 9 could be rectified by including the story of the household goat eating that portion. But then again, I thought the Koran was under the protection of Allah.

Quran was orally memorized and known and written at the same time. It doesn't rely on anyone to safeguard it and Uthman collection was about deleting commentary in Qurans out there, because people were forbidden to write hadiths by the first two (Abu Bakr and Umar), and so people began to write interpretation of Mohammad (s) in Quran. But to destroy whatever light in that regard, Uthman collected all mushafs and destroyed them. I can share hadiths that show this was his motive from Ahlulbayt (a), but everyone thinks Uthman collected Quran and safeguarded while it was already protected and known and no chance of corruption in text during Mohammad (s) time.

 

[Trailblazer]

1. In Kitabal Itqaan, Du'a Nudbah is quoted heavily. In that prayer from Imam Mahdi (a) about Imam Mahdi (a), we read "You have the position to me as Aaron does to Moses except that there is no Prophet after me". We also read about if we can arrange a meeting with Imam Mahdi (a) and that he finds a way to meet us. We also read that for every people there is a guide interpreted in a way to imply Ali (A) is the guide after Mohammad (s) and the earth is never left without a Guide from God. We also read that there is always a Baqiyatallah (remainder of God) in a household of guidance at all times. We talk directly to Imam Mahdi (A) in Du'a Nudbah as well as to God. So he proves he is alive.

2. "seal of Anbiya" doesn't mean Mohammad (s) is the last, because all Nabis (a) are first and last Nabis (a), meaning Adam (a) is also the last Nabi frankly, is sophistry. If God can't say Mohammad (s) is the last Nabi in any shape and form, to inform us there is no Nabi after Mohammad (s) because sophistry can be played with any arrangements of words, then it doesn't make sense. That means no matter how God says it whatever way God says it, it's going to be denied on this basis.

3. Every Nabi or Rasool has an Ahlulbayt. This is found in Quran, they come in groups related to each other spiritually yes, but also to stop forgery and fake Prophets and Imams and limit who can attempt to fake their status, it makes it that succession is always blood related. Bab and Baha'allah were not blood related, and Baha'allah's children eventually came to Islam and succession couldn't continue in his offspring. This is a sign of a false Prophet per Quran.

4. Isa (a) is not the day of judgment of Musa (a) even by his day of judgment concept. Let's say era of Mohammad, includes his successors, and then Baha'allah is the day of rising and judgment for Mohammad's (s) era, by this notion, Isa (a) is not a day of judgment of Musa because it would be like saying one of the twelve successors of Mohammad (s) is the day of judgment of Mohammad (s). Successors are under the "covenant" of the founder, Isa (a) was end of line of successors, and not a founder like Musa (a). So he fails even per his own explanation of day of judgment to get it right.

5. The day of judgment is a day where everyone is certain of God's existence Prophets and know they are right per Quran and that there is no room for repentance that day and nothing will be accepted for exchange and no intercession will benefit except souls who already believed in the signs and did good. It's a day where no soul can control for another soul and the whole matter is in God's hand. It's a day when finally hell will take it's full reality while even in the life after death, it's not fully manifest, and people still don't know reality fully though they are punished in grave, it's no where perceivable as in the day of judgment level. This is so clear in the Quran, to deny judgment day, is full dishonesty to Quran. To interpret the Bahai way, is to fall in the realms of sophistry to Quran to a next new level and not let Quran explain itself.

6. There is Twelve Successors to founders always per Quran and hadiths. The Bab doesn't have twelve successors.

7. There is no Guide in the moment on earth per Bahais, and so this contradicts so many hadiths that say there is a guide on earth and also contradicts Quran which shows there is a witness and driver of souls and leader and guide and caller to God in all times.

8. There are mistakes, like Baha'allah interpretation of Mohammad (s) connecting reality verse in Surah Ana'aam, it shows he didn't understand it and made up some silly absurd meaning to it.

9. Stoning is taught that it was once allowed or taught by the Prophet per Baha'allah, while Quran shows it was never allowed so he verifies false hadiths often like this that contradict Quran.

10. Mohammad (s) and his family (a) are the best of creation per Quran and ahadith, and so it doesn't make sense not to end with them.

11. Circumstantial evidence is used, for example hadiths of the Mahdi bringing a new religion, yet other hadiths explain that it's because it's been corrupted so much that when he brings the teachings of Mohammad (s) and Quran back in truth, it seems like a new religion. The Quran is also like a new book when he revives it and brings it's explanation. They only show the hadiths about new religion while ignoring the many that explain them. This makes it circumstantial evidence but it's half truths as well. We also have hadiths that there is no book after Quran (many of them) in explaining the seal of Prophets (a) verse.

12. The Imams (a) would have emphasized on seal of Anbiya not to mean end of Anbiya, if it was the case, but they did the opposite, they emphasized there is no new book after Quran due to it.

What you listed are not all true facts about the Baha'i Faith but I will allow @Truthseeker9 or @TransmutingSoul to respond since I am not very proficient in Baha'i history.

All the believers in the Abrahamic religions (except the Baha'is) believe that their religion is the best and the last religion revealed by God, but obviously that is logically impossible. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all use what they believe to try to prove that the Baha'i Faith is not true and that they have the one true religion. I got tired of these debates a long time ago. People are going to believe what they want to believe and they have free will to do so. Nobody can prove a religion is true, except to themselves, but that does not mean that one or many religions are not true. I believe all the religions are true although the older religions have been changed and corrupted by man over time.

Scriptures of all the Abrahamic religions say they are the best religion because they were the best when they were revealed since they were the latest religion from God at that time, the current religion. I believe that God wants us to follow the latest religion, the one that is current, and that is why God revealed another religion.

 

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Thanks @Trailblazer but your response has little to do with the opening post. But thank you for reading and commenting.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

There is Twelve Successors to founders always per Quran and hadiths. The Bab doesn't have twelve successors.

There were 18 letters of the Living all appointed by the Bab who suffered martyrdom by the hands of the Muslims, who broke their oath on the Quran many times to achieve their aims.

There is actually 24 Elders of the Bab, mentioned 8n the Bible, that includes the 18 letters of the living, which is in biblical prophecy, yet 5 are yet to be named.

“Regarding the four and twenty elders: The Master, in a Tablet, stated that they were the Báb, the eighteen Letters of the Living, and five others who would be known in the future. So far we do not know who these five others are.”

"In each cycle the guardians and holy souls have been twelve. So Jacob had twelve sons; in the time of Moses there were twelve heads or chiefs of the tribes; in the time of Christ there were twelve Apostles; and in the time of Muhammad there were twelve Imáms. But in this glorious manifestation there are twenty-four, double the number of all the others, for the greatness of this manifestation requires it. These holy souls are in the presence of God seated on their own thrones, meaning that they reign eternally. (Abdu'l-Bahá, Some Answered Questions, p. 57)

There is.much written on this.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

There is no Guide in the moment on earth per Bahais, and so this contradicts so many hadiths that say there is a guide on earth and also contradicts Quran which shows there is a witness and driver of souls and leader and guide and caller to God in all times.

That is not correct.

The Universal House of Justice guides the Baha'i Faith as per the written Covenant of Baha'u'llah.

They are elected, at this time every 5 years.

These documents are available and prove the guidance was given by the pen of Baha'u'llah

As per the written covenants, Abdul'baha and Shoghi Effendi in turn sacrificed their lives to give us all the guidance we will need for this dispensation. The Universal House of Justice offeres no more interpretation, they guide us on what has already been revealed and interpreted as per that covenant.

No other Faith has this level of set guidance, that was given by the Pen of the Messenger.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

New 1. In Kitabal Itqaan, Du'a Nudbah is quoted heavily. In that prayer from Imam Mahdi (a) about Imam Mahdi (a), we read "You have the position to me as Aaron does to Moses except that there is no Prophet after me". We also read about if we can arrange a meeting with Imam Mahdi (a) and that he finds a way to meet us. We also read that for every people there is a guide interpreted in a way to imply Ali (A) is the guide after Mohammad (s) and the earth is never left without a Guide from God. We also read that there is always a Baqiyatallah (remainder of God) in a household of guidance at all times. We talk directly to Imam Mahdi (A) in Du'a Nudbah as well as to God. So he proves he is alive.

Sorry, that is not making sense to me. Could you put it another way?

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

2. "seal of Anbiya" doesn't mean Mohammad (s) is the last, because all Nabis (a) are first and last Nabis (a), meaning Adam (a) is also the last Nabi frankly, is sophistry. If God can't say Mohammad (s) is the last Nabi in any shape and form, to inform us there is no Nabi after Mohammad (s) because sophistry can be played with any arrangements of words, then it doesn't make sense. That means no matter how God says it whatever way God says it, it's going to be denied on this basis

Yet there are passages where Jesus says He is the First and the Last the Beginning and the End the Alpha and Omega.

Revelation 22:13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

Revelation 1:8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty"

Bahá'u'lláh is the Lord of Hosts and Isiah has said

Isaiah 44:6“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me."

This is a massive topic in itself, needless to say Muhammed is also the Alpha and Omega, yet Muhammed was the Seal of the Prophets, the Message of the Bab was the dawn of the age of fulfilment of all past Prophecy.

It is a logical explanation backed by over one hundred volumes of scripture that all give a clear explanation to this topic.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

3. Every Nabi or Rasool has an Ahlulbayt. This is found in Quran, they come in groups related to each other spiritually yes, but also to stop forgery and fake Prophets and Imams and limit who can attempt to fake their status, it makes it that succession is always blood related. Bab and Baha'allah were not blood related, and Baha'allah's children eventually came to Islam and succession couldn't continue in his offspring. This is a sign of a false Prophet per Quran.

Too big a topic for a simple.explanation.

The Bab wore the green turban as in the Ottoman Empire, the wearing of a green turban was a privilege afforded to the descendants of Muhammad. So a descendant of Muhammad, the Bab was the Gate to the 'Glory of God' as per the Will of Allah.

Consider how shamefully was the Bab, a descendant of the Prophet Muhammad, treated by the Muslims of Persia.

Baha'u'llah family also ties back to Messengers of God, another story to be told. But Baha'u'llah had a Son and a Great Grandson who were appointed by the Covenant of Baha'u'llah. It is all recorded in history now, undisputed.

Future historians will be able to unravel the spiders Web put in place by a wayward Persian Islam and find the truth in these matters. Our age is too busy with disunity and trying to prevent the destruction of our planet and the human race that inhabits it.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

5. The day of judgment is a day where everyone is certain of God's existence Prophets and know they are right per Quran and that there is no room for repentance that day and nothing will be accepted for exchange and no intercession will benefit except souls who already believed in the signs and did good. It's a day where no soul can control for another soul and the whole matter is in God's hand. It's a day when finally hell will take it's full reality while even in the life after death, it's not fully manifest, and people still don't know reality fully though they are punished in grave, it's no where perceivable as in the day of judgment level. This is so clear in the Quran, to deny judgment day, is full dishonesty to Quran. To interpret the Bahai way, is to fall in the realms of sophistry to Quran to a next new level and not let Quran explain itself.

I say we are lucky Allah loves us all and is the One that gives Justice.

Allah Day of Judgement is every Messengers Revelation and that day lasts a thousand years, or for the dispensation of a Messenger.

There is no time we are not in a Judgement day, such is the bounty of Allah and I place my Judgement in the hands of Allah, luckily not in into the hands of men that hijacked justice in the name of Allah.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

8. There are mistakes, like Baha'allah interpretation of Mohammad (s) connecting reality verse in Surah Ana'aam, it shows he didn't understand it and made up some silly absurd meaning to it.

Persia banished Baha'u'llah as the Islamic divines of that age could not find mistakes in what Baha'u'llah offered, they just offered it was faulty, as many still do.without being able to offer a sound Quran based reason why.

That is because what Baha'u'llah offered can also be logically read into and supported by the Quran.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

10. Mohammad (s) and his family (a) are the best of creation per Quran and ahadith, and so it doesn't make sense not to end with them.

Yet we live on, needing guidance, that no Faith up to the mid 1800's was able to give to all humanity.

May the future unfold as the realisation that we are one people under One God.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

9. Stoning is taught that it was once allowed or taught by the Prophet per Baha'allah, while Quran shows it was never allowed so he verifies false hadiths often like this that contradict Quran.

It is obvious that the Old Testament teaches stoning and that Muhammad did not make it a law.

Baha'u'llah was explaining how it is the Law that God changes in each age.

So what is the issue? You are basically supporting what Baha'u'llah is explaining.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

1. In Kitabal Itqaan, Du'a Nudbah is quoted heavily. In that prayer from Imam Mahdi (a) about Imam Mahdi (a), we read "You have the position to me as Aaron does to Moses except that there is no Prophet after me". We also read about if we can arrange a meeting with Imam Mahdi (a) and that he finds a way to meet us. We also read that for every people there is a guide interpreted in a way to imply Ali (A) is the guide after Mohammad (s) and the earth is never left without a Guide from God. We also read that there is always a Baqiyatallah (remainder of God) in a household of guidance at all times. We talk directly to Imam Mahdi (A) in Du'a Nudbah as well as to God. So he proves he is alive.

2. "seal of Anbiya" doesn't mean Mohammad (s) is the last, because all Nabis (a) are first and last Nabis (a), meaning Adam (a) is also the last Nabi frankly, is sophistry. If God can't say Mohammad (s) is the last Nabi in any shape and form, to inform us there is no Nabi after Mohammad (s) because sophistry can be played with any arrangements of words, then it doesn't make sense. That means no matter how God says it whatever way God says it, it's going to be denied on this basis.

3. Every Nabi or Rasool has an Ahlulbayt. This is found in Quran, they come in groups related to each other spiritually yes, but also to stop forgery and fake Prophets and Imams and limit who can attempt to fake their status, it makes it that succession is always blood related. Bab and Baha'allah were not blood related, and Baha'allah's children eventually came to Islam and succession couldn't continue in his offspring. This is a sign of a false Prophet per Quran.

4. Isa (a) is not the day of judgment of Musa (a) even by his day of judgment concept. Let's say era of Mohammad, includes his successors, and then Baha'allah is the day of rising and judgment for Mohammad's (s) era, by this notion, Isa (a) is not a day of judgment of Musa because it would be like saying one of the twelve successors of Mohammad (s) is the day of judgment of Mohammad (s). Successors are under the "covenant" of the founder, Isa (a) was end of line of successors, and not a founder like Musa (a). So he fails even per his own explanation of day of judgment to get it right.

5. The day of judgment is a day where everyone is certain of God's existence Prophets and know they are right per Quran and that there is no room for repentance that day and nothing will be accepted for exchange and no intercession will benefit except souls who already believed in the signs and did good. It's a day where no soul can control for another soul and the whole matter is in God's hand. It's a day when finally hell will take it's full reality while even in the life after death, it's not fully manifest, and people still don't know reality fully though they are punished in grave, it's no where perceivable as in the day of judgment level. This is so clear in the Quran, to deny judgment day, is full dishonesty to Quran. To interpret the Bahai way, is to fall in the realms of sophistry to Quran to a next new level and not let Quran explain itself.

6. There is Twelve Successors to founders always per Quran and hadiths. The Bab doesn't have twelve successors.

7. There is no Guide in the moment on earth per Bahais, and so this contradicts so many hadiths that say there is a guide on earth and also contradicts Quran which shows there is a witness and driver of souls and leader and guide and caller to God in all times.

8. There are mistakes, like Baha'allah interpretation of Mohammad (s) connecting reality verse in Surah Ana'aam, it shows he didn't understand it and made up some silly absurd meaning to it.

9. Stoning is taught that it was once allowed or taught by the Prophet per Baha'allah, while Quran shows it was never allowed so he verifies false hadiths often like this that contradict Quran.

10. Mohammad (s) and his family (a) are the best of creation per Quran and ahadith, and so it doesn't make sense not to end with them.

11. Circumstantial evidence is used, for example hadiths of the Mahdi bringing a new religion, yet other hadiths explain that it's because it's been corrupted so much that when he brings the teachings of Mohammad (s) and Quran back in truth, it seems like a new religion. The Quran is also like a new book when he revives it and brings it's explanation. They only show the hadiths about new religion while ignoring the many that explain them. This makes it circumstantial evidence but it's half truths as well. We also have hadiths that there is no book after Quran (many of them) in explaining the seal of Prophets (a) verse.

12. The Imams (a) would have emphasized on seal of Anbiya not to mean end of Anbiya, if it was the case, but they did the opposite, they emphasized there is no new book after Quran due to it.

Link, this is exactly what Judgment Day is all about.

We are all judged on our response to God's Messengers.

Consider deeply, that you may be just offering your personal rejection of God.

Baha'u'llah in the Hidden Words in the Arabic gives the foundation of what we should do to be just in our judgement. If you read them in sequence they give a picture of what it is to find and have faith.

I will offer the first 3 as follows;

1. O SON OF SPIRIT!
My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty ancient, imperishable and everlasting.

2. O SON OF SPIRIT!
The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy heart; how it behooveth thee to be. Verily justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving-kindness. Set it then before thine eyes.

3. O SON OF MAN!
Veiled in My immemorial being and in the ancient eternity of My essence, I knew My love for thee; therefore I created thee, have engraved on thee Mine image and revealed to thee My beauty.

The rest are here The Hidden Words | Bahá’í Reference Library

Regards Tony

 

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1. In Kitabal Itqaan, Du'a Nudbah is quoted heavily. In that prayer from Imam Mahdi (a) about Imam Mahdi (a), we read "You have the position to me as Aaron does to Moses except that there is no Prophet after me". We also read about if we can arrange a meeting with Imam Mahdi (a) and that he finds a way to meet us. We also read that for every people there is a guide interpreted in a way to imply Ali (A) is the guide after Mohammad (s) and the earth is never left without a Guide from God. We also read that there is always a Baqiyatallah (remainder of God) in a household of guidance at all times. We talk directly to Imam Mahdi (A) in Du'a Nudbah as well as to God. So he proves he is alive

Sorry, that is not making sense to me. Could you put it another way?

Regards Tony

If you are offering that there was no Prophet after Muhammad, because Islam had a sure guide, which branch of Islam has had that sure Guidance?

Which branch today is reflecting Islam in the full light of Allah given in the Quran?

Regards Tony

 

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There were 18 letters of the Living all appointed by the Bab who suffered martyrdom by the hands of the Muslims, who broke their oath on the Quran many times to achieve their aims.

There is actually 24 Elders of the Bab, mentioned 8n the Bible, that includes the 18 letters of the living, which is in biblical prophecy, yet 5 are yet to be named.

“Regarding the four and twenty elders: The Master, in a Tablet, stated that they were the Báb, the eighteen Letters of the Living, and five others who would be known in the future. So far we do not know who these five others are.”

"In each cycle the guardians and holy souls have been twelve. So Jacob had twelve sons; in the time of Moses there were twelve heads or chiefs of the tribes; in the time of Christ there were twelve Apostles; and in the time of Muhammad there were twelve Imáms. But in this glorious manifestation there are twenty-four, double the number of all the others, for the greatness of this manifestation requires it. These holy souls are in the presence of God seated on their own thrones, meaning that they reign eternally. (Abdu'l-Bahá, Some Answered Questions, p. 57)

There is.much written on this.

Regards Tony

You misunderstand. They come in (the mursaleen/sent ones) in groups each known as "Ahlulbayt" of their time, and the founder is followed by Twelve Successors who are his equals. There is always Twelve Captains connected to the Leader and Captain of believers of the time that are his spiritual equals and on the journey they ascend together.

Not having this number proves them to be false. The 24 are not on par so it's a different concept.

 

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That is not correct.

The Universal House of Justice guides the Baha'i Faith as per the written Covenant of Baha'u'llah.

They are elected, at this time every 5 years.

These documents are available and prove the guidance was given by the pen of Baha'u'llah

As per the written covenants, Abdul'baha and Shoghi Effendi in turn sacrificed their lives to give us all the guidance we will need for this dispensation. The Universal House of Justice offeres no more interpretation, they guide us on what has already been revealed and interpreted as per that covenant.

No other Faith has this level of set guidance, that was given by the Pen of the Messenger.

Regards Tony

This was done because offspring of Ba'ahallah came to Islam and didn't continue lie. Yes every Prophet has an Ahlulbayt, and blood relationship is emphasized in the book of God for a reason. This rule is not meant to be broken. The wisdom is shown in a way that shows this is consistent through all times.

 

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Yet there are passages where Jesus says He is the First and the Last the Beginning and the End the Alpha and Omega.

Revelation 22:13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

Revelation 1:8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty"

Bahá'u'lláh is the Lord of Hosts and Isiah has said

Isaiah 44:6“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me."

This is a massive topic in itself, needless to say Muhammed is also the Alpha and Omega, yet Muhammed was the Seal of the Prophets, the Message of the Bab was the dawn of the age of fulfilment of all past Prophecy.

It is a logical explanation backed by over one hundred volumes of scripture that all give a clear explanation to this topic.

Regards Tony

Sorry, you didn't address the point at all.

 

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Link, this is exactly what Judgment Day is all about.

You didn't respond to points again.