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Ask me about the Third Reich, National Socialism, Hitler & the Holocaust

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
I have always been intrigued by Hitler and the Nazi's.Since I was very young in the 80's I have always read about or watched documentaries about WWII.It is so very interesting.Most only see what is right in front of them but there is so much more under the surface.The things that were happening behind the scenes are amazing.The way Hitler rose up and captured his power is mind blowing.I remember hearing a story about Hitler dropping pamplets out of airplanes over Poland with a prediction out of one of Nostradamus' quatrains.Nostradamus had predicted a man named "Histler" would rise up and be an important figure in history.
Propaganda, and another way to show how utterly bogus the notion of prophecy is. Hitler is not Adolf's genuine surname. It's Shickelgruber.

Amazingly Einstein retreated from the Germany area and fled to America with his ideas for the A-B***B.Can you imagine if Hitler would have succeeded in creating this WMD.He would have taken over the world, and this world we live in today would have never existed.
I covered the Nazi-Bomb project in an earlier post. They had the upper hand in the very early days, but due to a variety of things, namely the idea that "Jewish Physics" was somehow different from, you know, just physics they crippled themselves. And as I stated, the single largest group behind the Nazi Nuclear Weapon project was the German Post Office.

I saw a movie once as a young boy that captured my interest.It is called "The Boys from Brazil." It is about how the Nazi's that escaped capture in Germany and after the war fled to S.America and continued experiments that would help clone Hitler.It is a very good movie.Anyway,I just wanted to share.
It's a good movie. But it's also a work of fiction, utterly, except for the notion that Nazis escaped to South America.



Pss.When did you start learning about Hitler?
Around 2008 or so.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
He was asexual and sadistic!?
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my kind of man!
Actually no. I don't think it'd be fair to call Hitler a sadist. Sadists get some joy, mostly sexual or what have you, from hurting others. Hitler really didn't.
 
Propaganda, and another way to show how utterly bogus the notion of prophecy is. Hitler is not Adolf's genuine surname. It's Shickelgruber.


I covered the Nazi-Bomb project in an earlier post. They had the upper hand in the very early days, but due to a variety of things, namely the idea that "Jewish Physics" was somehow different from, you know, just physics they crippled themselves. And as I stated, the single largest group behind the Nazi Nuclear Weapon project was the German Post Office.

It's a good movie. But it's also a work of fiction, utterly, except for the notion that Nazis escaped to South America.




Around 2008 or so.

Yes I totally agree about the propaganda.He was also nuts so I'm sure it was just to stroke his ego and scare innocent civilians too.

It is amazing how America took all the Nazi scientist and brought them stateside.They ended up starting the early version of N.A.S.A.Operation paperclip it was called.I'm sure you now this already.

Yes,that movie is fiction but cloning was part of Hitlers agenda.Also dealings with the occult.He had his Nazi's in Tibet looking for relics and trying to get their hands on powerful items.They even had this castle where they would all meet and have rituals around this table like Camelot.The forces that were helping Hitler were not good.Reminds me of the movie "Raiders of the Lost Ark." Hitler was looking for the Ark of the covenant for power against his enemies.In this clip it is explained.




 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Yes I totally agree about the propaganda.He was also nuts so I'm sure it was just to stroke his ego and scare innocent civilians too.

It is amazing how America took all the Nazi scientist and brought them stateside.They ended up starting the early version of N.A.S.A.Operation paperclip it was called.I'm sure you now this already.

Yes,that movie is fiction but cloning was part of Hitlers agenda.Also dealings with the occult.He had his Nazi's in Tibet looking for relics and trying to get their hands on powerful items.They even had this castle where they would all meet and have rituals around this table like Camelot.The forces that were helping Hitler were not good.Reminds me of the movie "Raiders of the Lost Ark." Hitler was looking for the Ark of the covenant for power against his enemies.In this clip it is explained.
That was Himmler's thing. The mysticism. Hitler thought it was foolish and a waste of resources, though he allowed "His Loyal Heinrich" to do it.
 
That was Himmler's thing. The mysticism. Hitler thought it was foolish and a waste of resources, though he allowed "His Loyal Heinrich" to do it.

Yes Himmler was dark and evil.I think he was eventually killed for being gay.He was the right hand man so it was he who was doing all the dirty work.The forces behind Hitler were very dark.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Yes Himmler was dark and evil.I think he was eventually killed for being gay.He was the right hand man so it was he who was doing all the dirty work.The forces behind Hitler were very dark.
Himmler killed himself with a cyanide capsule in 1945. Himmler was not "evil" for evil's sake, either. Both he & Hitler genuinely believed they were doing the best things possible for their people. It just so happened they were willing to do many, many unforgivable things to achieve it.
 
Hitler missed many valuable opportunities because of his antisemetism. There was once a spy in the USSR codenamed MAX and he apparantly gave excellent and vital intel to the nazis (details of the meetings between Stalin and Churchill in Moscow were almost transmitted live). Guderian swore by this spy's information (he was a volunteer spy, not one planted and known by the germans). However, a rumour spread to Hitler that MAX was a jew and from then on Hitler forbade any intell being used by him. There were some German generals that were skeptical of MAXs trustworthiness but neverthe less It is crazy to deny such a potential goldmine for such a thing.

Another missed opportunty comes from the book 'The Young Hitler I Knew' again. While living together in Vienna Hitlers best friend got a music composer to look at an opera he had written and Hitler went to see him (or it could have been for a job or both, my memory to details is a little rusty) and walked out of his office when he 'saw' that the man was a jew.
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Hitler missed many valuable opportunities because of his antisemetism. There was once a spy in the USSR codenamed MAX and he apparantly gave excellent and vital intel to the nazis (details of the meetings between Stalin and Churchill in Moscow were almost transmitted live). Guderian swore by his spies information (he was a volunteer spy, not one planted and known by the germans). However, a rumour spread to Hitler that MAX was a jew and from then on Hitler forbade any intell being used by him. There were some German generals that were skeptical of MAXs trustworthiness but neverthe less It is crazy to deny such a potential goldmine for such a thing.

Another missed opportunty comes from the book 'The Young Hitler I Knew' again. While living together in Vienna Hitlers best friend got a music composer to look at an opera he had written and Hitler went to see him (or it could have been for a job or both, my memory to details is a little rusty) and walked out of his office when he 'saw' that the man was a jew.
Notions like this make perfect sense to us, but to someone who genuinely believes in a Global "Jewish-Financier" Conspiracy, it starts to make perfect sense.
 
Himmler killed himself with a cyanide capsule in 1945. Himmler was not "evil" for evil's sake, either. Both he & Hitler genuinely believed they were doing the best things possible for their people. It just so happened they were willing to do many, many unforgivable things to achieve it.

Oh.I thought he was gay.There was also that other man who was a psychic or medium.I thought it was he who killed himself.I'm confused now.Lol..
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Betrayed? interesting.......

Humanity yes..... What is behind this though? Evil.
"Betrayed" as far as Hitler is concerned. But Hitler had abandoned the Reich. Himmler was at least trying to take some responsibility.

And no. It isn't evil. It's humanity. You can call it evil, but at it's root they're just as human as the people they killed. I'll quote myself for a post I did early in this thread;

Der Untergang is better than most documentaries on Hitler. It is truly the best look inside the mind of that sick, sad man during the last hours of his existence. It is certainly the single most perfect performance ever given by an actor playing Adolf Hitler. It's like they opened a portal to April, 1945 and just started filming.

Hitler was human. People all too often forget that. There were no demons at work, no gods in play, nothing but pure humanity. His actions were monstrous but that doesn't make him a monster. Not in the way people seem to like thinking. And that is why I find it so utterly disgusting when people try to paint supernatural or other tones on him. It demeans the lives lost. It takes away our collective responsibility. Hitler wasn't the Devil. He was a man of flesh & blood. He had hopes, dreams. He had immense courage. He survived the Great War, despite being hit by mustard gas. He had feelings.

Had he not genuinely, totally, utterly believed everything he said he couldn't of done what he did. He couldn't of won others to his side. He couldn't still win people to his side today if he weren't totally convinced that he was doing the right thing.

That's what people should see when they think of Hitler. A man. Possessed by nothing but his own contempt for others, driven by the pain of his life and the injustices he saw around him, and willing to do anything & everything to right what he saw as wrong.

Had Hitler put that drive & passion into anything else, we might now be talking about the greatest humanitarian of the 20th century, or the most brilliant composer of our time. But rather than appeal to Athena or to Aphrodite, Demeter or Mercury, he sought the path of Mars. And that's what we got.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
"Betrayed" as far as Hitler is concerned. But Hitler had abandoned the Reich. Himmler was at least trying to take some responsibility.

Oh please he lied as much as he could. All the ovens were just for the typhus dead and so forth.
He was just trying to save his skin. And then killed himself.
 
I meant regarding the matters of state.

Thats something I didn't understand about Himmleràs suicide. He was confident he could negotiate a peace with the allies and even maybe stay on as head of the police in Germany under the allies but he commits suicide as soon as he is recognised.... Was he living in a fantasy?? He was actually caugth by the British because his papers were too good and in total order, something that was very uncommon after the war and drew suspiscion. He was wearing an eye patch at the time and couldn't bare to go unrecognised and revealed his true identity to his interigator, apparently all because of his vanity.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Thats something I didn't understand about Himmleràs suicide. He was confident he could negotiate a peace with the allies and even maybe stay on as head of the police in Germany under the allies but he commits suicide as soon as he is recognised.... Was he living in a fantasy?? He was actually caugth by the British because his papers were too good and in total order, something that was very uncommon after the war and drew suspiscion. He was wearing an eye patch at the time and couldn't bare to go unrecognised and revealed his true identity to his interigator, apparently all because of his vanity.
He assumed that we would still see the Nazis as a viable supporter against Communism. What he hadn't countenanced is that we were so disgusted with the Nazis and their war is that Uncle Joe, for all his warts, was still better than nigh any of the high-ranking Reich officials.
 
He assumed that we would still see the Nazis as a viable supporter against Communism. What he hadn't countenanced is that we were so disgusted with the Nazis and their war is that Uncle Joe, for all his warts, was still better than nigh any of the high-ranking Reich officials.

But when did Himmler realize it. If he believed it why did he try to escape, why kill himself if he thought he is of some use to the allies and they would need him?
 
He assumed that we would still see the Nazis as a viable supporter against Communism. What he hadn't countenanced is that we were so disgusted with the Nazis and their war is that Uncle Joe, for all his warts, was still better than nigh any of the high-ranking Reich officials.

The US also did hire ex gestapo to work against the Russians, maybe not high ranking officials. Roosevelt and Eisenhower had no idea of what the future would be for the world after the war. Roosevelt even thought the Russians were similar to the Americans and that the US would pull out of any commitments in Europe 2 years after the war. It was really only Churchill who knew exactly what the future held (and probably Stalin). I was reading a book on the Yalta, Tehran and Potsdam and the ignorance of Roosevelt shocked me. Eisenhower wasn't much better.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
But when did Himmler realize it. If he believed it why did he try to escape, why kill himself if he thought he is of some use to the allies and they would need him?
His delusions shattered not long before he decided to try and get out of Germany incognito.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
The US also did hire ex gestapo to work against the Russians, maybe not high ranking officials. Roosevelt and Eisenhower had no idea of what the future would be for the world after the war. Roosevelt even thought the Russians were similar to the Americans and that the US would pull out of any commitments in Europe 2 years after the war. It was really only Churchill who knew exactly what the future held (and probably Stalin). I was reading a book on the Yalta, Tehran and Potsdam and the ignorance of Roosevelt shocked me. Eisenhower wasn't much better.
They were still far and away better than the Nazis. Also remember, the Soviets were vital in the fall of the Reich. They'd also been hit the hardest by the war. They were owed certain things and they were granted.
 
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