Are there single fathers, who never married, with children in the West?

[savagewind]

And one of your example was "verbal" and could easily be seen as an argument. I am not saying it is always that way, I am saying it could be. Don't forget, it is you that is trying to define this on a thin line.

I think most domestic abuse is verbal.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I agree. Real domestic abuse is any kind of treatment from one spouse that makes the other spouse wish to be away from the abuser.
Criminal domestic abuse is abuse severe enough to cause damage.

They would both be victims though:

vic·tim

vic·tim [víktim]
(plural vic·tims)
n
1. somebody hurt or killed:

[Encarta ® World English Dictionary

 

[savagewind]

They would both be victims though:

vic·tim

vic·tim [víktim]
(plural vic·tims)
n
1. somebody hurt or killed:

[Encarta ® World English Dictionary

Please explain how both are victims. My head is feeling all cottony.

 

[Robert.Evans]

It isn't an example of "domestic abuse". This is not addressing your claim that "abuse is most-often not one-sided", which is counter-intuitive.

It depends on your definition of abuse which i have said a trillion times and you will not accept becasue you define it so narrowly. While were at it, go look up victim. You say if two people fight they are not victims? Think again. they are both victims, racially motivated and that is fact.......haha

 

[savagewind]

One party behaves toward his or her mate harshly. Badly enough that the one treated thusly wants to flee. HOW is it that both are being victimized? Please explain.

 

[savagewind]

It depends on your definition of abuse which i have said a trillion times and you will not accept becasue you define it so narrowly. While were at it, go look up victim. You say if two people fight they are not victims? Think again. they are both victims, racially motivated and that is fact.......haha

Please define for the argument's sake "abuse" and also "two-sided".

 

[leibowde84]

It's called equality and is why feminists set out to destroy the family. And that is fact and racism all rolled into one haha

This statement is incorrect on a variety of levels (see below).

"Feminist theory is one of the major contemporary sociological theories, which analyzes the status of women and men in society with the purpose of using that knowledge to better women's lives. Feminist theorists also question the differences between women, including how race, class, ethnicity, sexuality, nationality, and age intersect with gender. Contemporary sociologistPatricia Hill Collins is known throughout the field for developing, deploying, and popularizing the concept of intersectionality in her theory and research." (http://sociology.about.com/od/Sociological-Theory/a/Feminist-Theory.htm)

Racism (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism)
noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.

 

[Draka]

This has just gone beyond ridiculous.

 

[dust1n]

Please explain how both are victims. My head is feeling all cottony.

If you stop a bank robbery, the bank robber is the victim.

 

[Robert.Evans]

One party behaves toward his or her mate harshly. Badly enough that the one treated thusly wants to flee. HOW is it that both are being victimized? Please explain.

That was not the argument. You are like Churchill. If two people fight, they could, by definition, both be seen as victims. I gave you the definition.

 

[Robert.Evans]

This has just gone beyond ridiculous.

It went there many days ago in another life time, I am sure of that.

 

[dust1n]

Please define for the argument's sake "abuse" and also "two-sided".

Maybe he is making the case that in can be two-sided? I dunno, I feeling generous here...

 

[McBell]

You contradict yourself.

Your inability to tell the difference is not surprising.

 

[leibowde84]

And one of your example was "verbal" and could easily be seen as an argument. I am not saying it is always that way, I am saying it could be. Don't forget, it is you that is trying to define this on a thin line.

Verbal abuse is not an argument. An argument is when two parties are trying to convince each other they are right. Verbal abuse is when one party tries to force the other to side with them using threats, violence, ridicule, etc. rather than convincing them of the validity of their claim.

 

[savagewind]

If you stop a bank robbery, the bank robber is the victim.

Said sarcastically LOL

 

[Robert.Evans]

If you stop a bank robbery, the bank robber is the victim.

Now please tell me that was a joke!

 

[savagewind]

That was not the argument. You are like Churchill. If two people fight, they could, by definition, both be seen as victims. I gave you the definition.

You are the one who is assuming there is a fight. There is no fight. Although the one who is being treated harshly might be fighting to stay alive.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Verbal abuse is when one party tries to force the other to side with them using threats, violence, ridicule, etc.

Both can do that in an argument.

 

[Draka]

Verbal abuse is not an argument. An argument is when two parties are trying to convince each other they are right. Verbal abuse is when one party tries to force the other to side with them using threats, violence, ridicule, etc. rather than convincing them of the validity of their claim.

Verbal abuse is much the infliction of emotionally charged words, berated against another, with the goal being to make the other think less of themselves and make them easier to control. Words like "useless", "worthless", "moron", "ugly", and so on being used repetitively to the point of the destruction of another person's self esteem.

 

[savagewind]

Both can do that in an argument.

Mr Obvious that is not what the discussion is about.