Are Religions and Gods manmade?

[Muffled]

Facts are facts and the facts of history and geography show that the coming of Baha'u'llah fulfilled the Bible prophecies for the return of Christ and the Jewish Messiah, as was clearly demonstrated in the book entitled Thief in the Night by William Sears.

I believe you make statements. I believe in logic.

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe you make statements. I believe in logic.

I believe facts and I make statements about facts.

Facts are facts and the facts of history and geography show that the coming of Baha'u'llah fulfilled the Bible prophecies for the return of Christ and the Jewish Messiah, as was clearly demonstrated in the book entitled Thief in the Night by William Sears.

 

[joelr]

Gen 6:17 For behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life under heaven. Everything that is on the earth shall die.

I believe that gets interpreted as all people on the whole earth and the flood covering the whole earth. However it would also apply to a local flood. So the question is which interpretation is consistent with Science. The answer is a local flood. This is similar to those who interpreted the Bible as saying the earth is flat. The interpretation did not agree with scientific fact.

You said science was a fantasy. Now you want to accept science?

 

[joelr]

I believe facts and I make statements about facts.

Facts are facts and the facts of history and geography show that the coming of Baha'u'llah fulfilled the Bible prophecies for the return of Christ and the Jewish Messiah, as was clearly demonstrated in the book entitled Thief in the Night by William Sears.

what the book says:

"in the
first half of the nineteenth century, there was world wide and fervent expectation that during the 1840’s the return of Christ would
take place. The story made the headlines and even reached the Congress of the United States. From China and the Middle East to Europe and America, men of conflicting ideas shared in the expectancy."

The truth:

Using numerology and interpretation a Baptist preacher from New England, William Miller, made a prediction of a 2nd coming. Of course it was within his lifetime as they usually are. His movement was called Millerism and by repeatedly writing letters and articles to a local newspaper gained some attention. The last 2 years before the predicted date a Boston pastor became interested in the movement but it did not spread much outside of New England or New York.
No actual scholar or theologian ever thought this date was the date of any 2nd coming.

The "proofs" at the end of the book are cherry-pickings of mundane details (he passes a mountain, wears a red robe...) that are part of prophecies of events that will happen when different saviors come from different religions. Just the Persian prophecy alone contains dozens of crazy supernatural events that are supposed to happen during this time. Of course none of those happened.

Every point is debunkable. 800 earthquakes on the Eastern Mediterranean in a 50 year period? There are 20,000 earthquakes every year.
The terrible earthquake of 1755 was tragic because it happened on All Saints Day at the time when everyone was IN CHURCH!?
How dare they use this as proof of a religious prophecy?!?!

The author traces the savior back to the bloodline of Abraham. Except there is no bloodline of Abraham.

"Today I think most archeologists would argue that there is no direct archeological proof that Abraham, for instance, ever lived. We do know a lot about pastoral nomads, we know about the Amorites' migrations from Mesopotamia to Canaan, and it's possible to see in that an Abraham-like figure somewhere around 1800 B.C.E. But there's no direct connection."

Signs from Revelations are supposedly happening. Angels, dragons, beasts, plagues, human locusts, sea serpents, all mountains move, all people live in caves, another dragon, 7 headed beast........no, none of that. Just a forest fire causing smoke and dust falling into the atmosphere. Stuff that happens every year or so. As well as a normal amount of earthquakes.

 

[CG Didymus]

what the book says:

"in the
first half of the nineteenth century, there was world wide and fervent expectation that during the 1840’s the return of Christ would
take place. The story made the headlines and even reached the Congress of the United States. From China and the Middle East to Europe and America, men of conflicting ideas shared in the expectancy."

The truth:

Using numerology and interpretation a Baptist preacher from New England, William Miller, made a prediction of a 2nd coming. Of course it was within his lifetime as they usually are. His movement was called Millerism and by repeatedly writing letters and articles to a local newspaper gained some attention. The last 2 years before the predicted date a Boston pastor became interested in the movement but it did not spread much outside of New England or New York.
No actual scholar or theologian ever thought this date was the date of any 2nd coming.

The "proofs" at the end of the book are cherry-pickings of mundane details (he passes a mountain, wears a red robe...) that are part of prophecies of events that will happen when different saviors come from different religions. Just the Persian prophecy alone contains dozens of crazy supernatural events that are supposed to happen during this time. Of course none of those happened.

Every point is debunkable. 800 earthquakes on the Eastern Mediterranean in a 50 year period? There are 20,000 earthquakes every year.
The terrible earthquake of 1755 was tragic because it happened on All Saints Day at the time when everyone was IN CHURCH!?
How dare they use this as proof of a religious prophecy?!?!

The author traces the savior back to the bloodline of Abraham. Except there is no bloodline of Abraham.

"Today I think most archeologists would argue that there is no direct archeological proof that Abraham, for instance, ever lived. We do know a lot about pastoral nomads, we know about the Amorites' migrations from Mesopotamia to Canaan, and it's possible to see in that an Abraham-like figure somewhere around 1800 B.C.E. But there's no direct connection."

Signs from Revelations are supposedly happening. Angels, dragons, beasts, plagues, human locusts, sea serpents, all mountains move, all people live in caves, another dragon, 7 headed beast........no, none of that. Just a forest fire causing smoke and dust falling into the atmosphere. Stuff that happens every year or so. As well as a normal amount of earthquakes.

Yes, facts are facts and opinions and interpretations about "facts" do not mean a vague prophecy has been fulfilled.