Aqualung
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Funny you should say that. I probably quoted 3x as much scripture as anybody. And I tied my beliefs into scripture...Buttercup said:And next time be prepared for much more scripture inclusions!
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Funny you should say that. I probably quoted 3x as much scripture as anybody. And I tied my beliefs into scripture...Buttercup said:And next time be prepared for much more scripture inclusions!
My points were wrong? Then why didn't you try to tell me they were wrong, which something substantial to back them up with? Oh, wait. I remeber. because it's all up to interpretation. But if that's true, how can I be wrong?Buttercup said:Your points were wrong however......so does it matter? How can you even bring scripture in to cover a wrong point
I think that some great points have been brought up on both sides of this issue. I have enjoyed reading this debate, from the beginning.Aqualung said:My points were wrong? Then why didn't you try to tell me they were wrong, which something substantial to back them up with? Oh, wait. I remeber. because it's all up to interpretation. But if that's true, how can I be wrong?
I'm game for that.FFH said:I think that some great points have been brought up on both sides of this issue. I have enjoyed reading this debate, from the beginning.
Both sides have brought up such great issues !!! I think the issues brought up in this "one on one" debate deserve to be discussed further, in another thread, by all parties involved, Buttercup, Dawny, Aqualung, Squirt, myself, and anyone else that feels they have thoughts on on these issues, like possibly Wman and Feathers.
And I guess my stance is that although baptism and laying on of hands is important...FFH said:I think this debate insued due to the fact that Protestants, Charismatics, Pentacostals and othe like religions put such a great emphasis on the principles necessary for salvation like faith in Christ's atonement, and repentance, and the LDS religion seems to put such an emphasis on the ordinances necessary for salvation, like baptism and "the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost" and many other necessary ordinances and covenants that are done in LDS temples to seal families together in "heaven" so that they can live with Christ and the Father.
Both are extremely important:
Christ's first principles:
Faith in the atonement of Jesus Christ
Repentance of sins".
Christ's first ordinances:
Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins
The laying on of hands, by those who are in authority, for the gift of the Holy Ghost
I am very much edified by religions that emphasize faith in Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice for sins, and these religions minister to me in an extremely important way. We as LDS can learn from these religions that put such a great emphasis on Christ and his atoning sacrifice for our sins, and at the same time we can minister to others the importance of the saving ordinances such as baptism and the laying on of hands, by those who are in authority, for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
We as LDS do not claim our authority to be of men either. Christ is our authority and has given his authority to men on earth, in order to perform his ordinance of "baptism by immersion" for the remission of sins, and the "laying on of hands" for the gift of the Holy Ghost.dawny0826 said:And I guess my stance is that although baptism and laying on of hands is important...
It is my belief and the belief of many people of similar faith that WATER baptism and laying on of hands is not necessary for salvation. And I feel when we place so much in the formalities of a specific church, a specific religion...we lose sight on what we have...what we're individually capable of because of Christ Jesus who is within us.
Many receive the Holy Spirit without formalities. You can establish a relationship with Christ without the formalities of a specific religion. I don't have to have someone in authority lay hands on me in order for me to receive the Holy Spirit. Why? Man does not give that gift...GOD gives that gift to those who accept Christ.
Authority in my life...is Christ Jesus and the Word of God Almighty. I was saved by the spiritual baptism...the moment I accepted Christ and repented of my sins.