Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
What an atheist might believe is not relevant. All that is required to be an atheist is to not share in the belief of the theist.
Atheists believe there is something not in the universe? Believers and their silly definitions, yagottaluvem.
Any study of the above from a mystical perspective would also demonstrate that belief in X means belief and non-belief in Y, and belief in Y means belief and non-belief in X.You should try studying logic, epistimology, epistemic modality, conditionals, and semantics. A thorough study in any of the above would demonstrate that belief in X means non-belief in Y, and belief in Y means non-belief in X. If you don't believe in gods, you believe that no gods exist.
Atheists have a belief system.
Any study of the above from a mystical perspective would also demonstrate that belief in X means belief and non-belief in Y, and belief in Y means belief and non-belief in X.
In other words, it's not much use to dictate to others their belief.
Everybody has a belief system. I believe it is 2010... what about you? It is those dang semantics that are a pain in the neck.You should try studying logic, epistimology, epistemic modality, conditionals, and semantics. A thorough study in any of the above would demonstrate that belief in X means non-belief in Y, and belief in Y means non-belief in X. If you don't believe in gods, you believe that no gods exist.
Atheists have a belief system.
Are atheists supposed to believe that something is not in the universe? Could someone that defines God please clarify what it is atheists are supposed to believe doesn't exist?
Well, duh.Stop being foolish. You claim that "All that is required to be an atheist is to not share in the belief of the theist." First, clearly if a theist believes that climate change is primarily caused by human activity, an atheist can believe the same thing and still be an atheist.
In other words, it is specifically the theists beliefs about god(s) which the atheist denies, not all beliefs of a theist.
Deny they exist? That's a good one. Now atheists are merely in denial.Yet it is not required for an atheist to have defined for him/her every belief and definition of a god to disagree with a theist. The concept of god is known enough for theists who disagree to still be able to converse about "god" or "gods" and for atheists to deny that they exist.
I would need clarification if I was to formulate a belief either way, meanwhile I would suspend belief. As it is I don't define gods, that is for the preoccupation of the theist to engage in. I don't share in the belief of the theist, I'm atheist.You don't need a clear definition of every conception of god in order to determine that you are an atheist or a theist, or that you don't know one way or the other (i.e. are an agnostic.).
Deny they exist? That's a good one. Now atheists are merely in denial.
I would need clarification if I was to formulate a belief either way, meanwhile I would suspend belief.
As it is I don't define gods, that is for the preoccupation of the theist to engage in. I don't share in the belief of the theist, I'm atheist.
No, non belief is not a belief
let alone a belief system.
Not partaking in stamp collecting is not considered a hobby.
Stop being so bloody obtuse. The idea that there is no invisible pink unicorn is not by any stretch of the imagination a belief about one of the most fundamental aspects of the cosmos- its nature, creation, existence, etc. It most certainly is not a belief system worth pondering. Who, besides you, wastes time considering the existence of the vastly numerous things that people conjure up and then go on to consider the idea that not believing said nonsense is a fundamental basis for an understanding of the cosmos? That is totally insane. Some people obviously believe that the invisible little god they conjure up in their mind is in some way significant to those that have no idea what they are fantasizing about. It must require an incredibly inflated ego to suggest that not believing in the invisible god I fantasize about is a belief about one of the most fundamental aspects of the cosmos- its nature, creation, existence, etc. It most certainly is a belief system. Belief system, my ***.How do you talk about logic, conditional semantics, conditional information, and so forth to someone who hasn't read anything about any of these?
I suggest you get a good introductory textbook on logic. I would also suggest reading the relevant papers (particularly those on mental models, possible worlds, and logic) in On Conditionals (Cambridge, 1986) and On Conditionals Again (John Benjamins 1997), as well as relevant work in cognitive linguistics (a good starting place would be the oxford handbook).
If one says "I believe in god" by necessasity they don't belief that no god exists (i.e. they disbelieve in the non-existance of god). Likewise, if someone says "I don't believe in god" by necessity they believe that no god exists. Non-belief in X by definition is belief in non-X.
Hence the "ism" part of Atheism. The idea that there is no god is a belief about one of the most fundamental aspects of the cosmos- its nature, creation, existence, etc. It most certainly is a belief system.
Spare us your fantasies.Horrific analogy. Having a hobby and not having a hobby is not comparable to belief and non-belief. You cannot disbelief something without belief.
Stop being so bloody obtuse.
The idea that there is no invisible pink unicorn is not by any stretch of the imagination a belief about one of the most fundamental aspects of the cosmos
Anyone who studies logic and cognition (as related to belief systems, possible worlds, mental spaces, mental models, conditionals, etc) studies what belief in X or non-belief in X means.Who, besides you, wastes time considering the existence of the vastly numerous things that people conjure up and then go on to consider the idea that not believing said nonsense is a fundamental basis for an understanding of the cosmos?
That is totally insane.
Spare us your fantasies.
God cannot exist. It's real simple using mathematics... relatively painless... ya won't feel a thing...Are atheists supposed to believe that something is not in the universe? Could someone that defines God please clarify what it is atheists are supposed to believe doesn't exist?
I'm wasting my time debating your lunacy.Says the one asking for a definition of god, as if that is necessary in order to disbelief in god's existance.
Given that the existence of gods and their role in the universe has been a part of basically every recorded culture and monumental in shaping philosophy, western culture, and even academia, and that atheism has a long history with its own conception of cosmology, to compare god(s) to pink unicorns is pitifully stupid.
Anyone who studies logic and cognition (as related to belief systems, possible worlds, mental spaces, mental models, conditionals, etc) studies what belief in X or non-belief in X means.
Just because you are totally ignorant of logic and the other relevant topics doesn't make it totally insane.
I'm agnostic. I lack the belief in god or no god.