African 2023 Climate conference: Nice lunch and....

[JIMMY12345]

Google “Kenya and Pandora papers”. Urge ordinary Kenyans. Many of the African leaders attending the climate change summit in Kenya “yes we can” influence climate change. If they only choose to bring back some of this enormous wealth and invest it green energy in AFRICA. Why ever do they want to keep it offshore where the “poor” African leaders get ripped off with minimal interest and inflation.

Africa is NOT poor. They have always had a dynamic thriving and entrepreneurial upper and middle class. They will happily pay pension and saving contributions into African savings schemes. Run in Africa by Africans.

No money should be given. Saudi etc. should sponsor green energy firms and JOBS that will build Solar panels etc. in Africa. The correct solution of green African activists should be “TRADE NOT AID” Money gets side tracked.

What they will not do is pay green taxes or cut down on the Mercedes, Audis or BMW’s. Indeed, why should they. No one in Europe or the USA does. The polluter should pay Green taxes worldwide should remain in the country of origin. Otherwise voters will not buy it. Get real.

 

[wellwisher]

Part of the problem with fund raising is although climate is changing, it is not changing in the way the current scam claims. For example, none of the models, that are man made climate change centric, predicted the excessive heat of the past summer. The man made gases like CO2, were not enough to do that, which is why it was not predicted. Yet the consensus of science did not correct the record, as the fake news and propaganda machine, claimed the hot summer was due to man made affects. Consensus is not how science works. It is how politics work. Consensus is about opinion while science is about proof.

The real culprit for this past summer heat was from mother earth in the form of the massive undersea Tonga volcano that erupted in 2022.

Tonga volcano eruption put holes in the atmosphere, sent plasma bubbles to space and disrupted satellites

The Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai volcano, located undersea in Tonga in the South Pacific Ocean, erupted on January 15, 2022, exploding with so much force that it was hundreds of times stronger than the atomic bomb that the U.S. dropped on Hiroshima in 1945. When it exploded, it spewed debris 25 miles into the air, triggering tsunami waves.

Months later, it was determined that it also blasted so much water that it could have filled 58,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools, enough to potentially cause warmer temperatures on the planet. It also ignited the formation of an entirely new island.

Now, a new study published in Nature's Scientific Reports on Monday found that it had an impact outside the planet itself.

Researchers from the Institute for Space-Earth Environmental Research at Japan's Nagoya University found that the air pressure waves from the eruption were so strong that they affected the Earth's ionosphere, the layer of atmosphere just before space. The pressure caused "several holes" to form in this layer over Japan, some extending to 2,000 kilometers in space, researchers found, and also caused the formation of "equatorial plasma bubbles."

I was also reading how this under the ocean eruption has also impacted the ozone layer.
Tongan eruption caused ozone hole to grow

New research has found the eruption of the Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai volcano in 2022 shot out an unprecedented amount of water vapour into the sky. The vapour reached heights of up to 55km and depleted 5 per cent of the ozone layer over the tropical south-western Pacific and Indian Ocean regions in a week.

Tonga is a place where two major tectonic plates meet, with Tonga within the subduction zone where the plate in sinking into the mantle. This open up the mantle to allow heat and pressure to escape.

Ask the expert: Why is the Tonga eruption important?

Tonga is one of the most active regions in the world, with dozens of volcanoes, numerous shallow earthquakes in the oceanic trench and two-thirds of all deep earthquakes in the world. All the Tonga volcanic islands and submarine volcanoes are a part of the Tonga subduction zone. In fact, Tonga is the place where scientists (Jack Oliver and his students from Columbia University) first established the concept of a subduction zone in 1967. This was one of the key pieces of evidence supporting the newly born Theory of Plate Tectonics.

 

[JIMMY12345]

Part of the problem with fund raising is although climate is changing, it is not changing in the way the current scam claims. For example, none of the models, that are man made climate change centric, predicted the excessive heat of the past summer. The man made gases like CO2, were not enough to do that, which is why it was not predicted. Yet the consensus of science did not correct the record, as the fake news and propaganda machine, claimed the hot summer was due to man made affects. Consensus is not how science works. It is how politics work. Consensus is about opinion while science is about proof.

The real culprit for this past summer heat was from mother earth in the form of the massive undersea Tonga volcano that erupted in 2022.

Tonga volcano eruption put holes in the atmosphere, sent plasma bubbles to space and disrupted satellites




I was also reading how this under the ocean eruption has also impacted the ozone layer.
Tongan eruption caused ozone hole to grow



Tonga is a place where two major tectonic plates meet, with Tonga within the subduction zone where the plate in sinking into the mantle. This open up the mantle to allow heat and pressure to escape.

Ask the expert: Why is the Tonga eruption important?

Part of the problem with fund raising is although climate is changing, it is not changing in the way the current scam claims. For example, none of the models, that are man made climate change centric, predicted the excessive heat of the past summer. The man made gases like CO2, were not enough to do that, which is why it was not predicted. Yet the consensus of science did not correct the record, as the fake news and propaganda machine, claimed the hot summer was due to man made affects. Consensus is not how science works. It is how politics work. Consensus is about opinion while science is about proof.

The real culprit for this past summer heat was from mother earth in the form of the massive undersea Tonga volcano that erupted in 2022.

Tonga volcano eruption put holes in the atmosphere, sent plasma bubbles to space and disrupted satellites




I was also reading how this under the ocean eruption has also impacted the ozone layer.
Tongan eruption caused ozone hole to grow



Tonga is a place where two major tectonic plates meet, with Tonga within the subduction zone where the plate in sinking into the mantle. This open up the mantle to allow heat and pressure to escape.

Ask the expert: Why is the Tonga eruption important?

This is very deep analysis.Geography lecturer?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Part of the problem with fund raising is although climate is changing, it is not changing in the way the current scam claims. For example, none of the models, that are man made climate change centric, predicted the excessive heat of the past summer. The man made gases like CO2, were not enough to do that, which is why it was not predicted. Yet the consensus of science did not correct the record, as the fake news and propaganda machine, claimed the hot summer was due to man made affects. Consensus is not how science works. It is how politics work. Consensus is about opinion while science is about proof.

The real culprit for this past summer heat was from mother earth in the form of the massive undersea Tonga volcano that erupted in 2022.

Tonga volcano eruption put holes in the atmosphere, sent plasma bubbles to space and disrupted satellites




I was also reading how this under the ocean eruption has also impacted the ozone layer.
Tongan eruption caused ozone hole to grow



Tonga is a place where two major tectonic plates meet, with Tonga within the subduction zone where the plate in sinking into the mantle. This open up the mantle to allow heat and pressure to escape.

Ask the expert: Why is the Tonga eruption important?

The Tonga eruption may have had an impact, but climate change being influenced by excessive carbon from human infustry is still a reality. Consensus among scientists isn't just a popularity contest. It represents a conclusion drawn from evidence and knowledge from those with experience and education in the field.

 

[The Hammer]

. Consensus among scientists isn't just a popularity contest. It represents a conclusion drawn from evidence and knowledge from those with experience and education in the field.

Funny how people seem to miss this aspect

 

[Estro Felino]

It's interesting how Africans ask for either money or trade but never ask for free birth control pills and condoms.
I mean...we can give them to them.
They don't realize their birth rates are unsustainable.
They don't realize that life is squalid if it's all about having unprotected sex all the time.
Especially because planet Earth has finite resources, and we are destroying it.

 

[The Hammer]

Part of the problem with fund raising is although climate is changing, it is not changing in the way the current scam claims. For example, none of the models, that are man made climate change centric, predicted the excessive heat of the past summer. The man made gases like CO2, were not enough to do that, which is why it was not predicted. Yet the consensus of science did not correct the record, as the fake news and propaganda machine, claimed the hot summer was due to man made affects. Consensus is not how science works. It is how politics work. Consensus is about opinion while science is about proof.

The real culprit for this past summer heat was from mother earth in the form of the massive undersea Tonga volcano that erupted in 2022.

Tonga volcano eruption put holes in the atmosphere, sent plasma bubbles to space and disrupted satellites




I was also reading how this under the ocean eruption has also impacted the ozone layer.
Tongan eruption caused ozone hole to grow



Tonga is a place where two major tectonic plates meet, with Tonga within the subduction zone where the plate in sinking into the mantle. This open up the mantle to allow heat and pressure to escape.

Ask the expert: Why is the Tonga eruption important?

" According to the World Bank, more than 2 billion metric tons of municipal solid waste is produced globally every year. By 2050, that figure will increase by 70% to 3.4 billion metric tons a year. The increase is driven by factors such as population growth, urbanization, economic development, changes in consumption patterns and our lifestyles. Mismanaged waste contributes to an increase in greenhouse gas emissions, and it can also increase the spread of disease. "

This ^^^ is a bigger problem on our climate, then any volcano.

Renewable exec on ‘relentless consumption’ driving the climate crisis: 'It seems as if people are behaving in a way that we would never tell our children to behave’

WasteFuel’s Trevor Neilson spoke at the Fortune Global Forum in Abu Dhabi on consumption, biofuels and climate activists: “They’re an interesting bunch.”

fortune.com

 

[Guitar's Cry]

It's interesting how Africans ask for either money or trade but never ask for free birth control pills and condoms.
I mean...we can give them to them.
They don't realize their birth rates are unsustainable.
They don't realize that life is squalid if it's all about having unprotected sex all the time.
Especially because planet Earth has finite resources, and we are destroying it.

This is one of those posts I keep reading over again because I am not entirely sure if I am actually reading it correctly.

You're suggesting that Africans are responsible for climate change because they have unprotected sex and only care about money?

 

[We Never Know]

Google “Kenya and Pandora papers”. Urge ordinary Kenyans. Many of the African leaders attending the climate change summit in Kenya “yes we can” influence climate change. If they only choose to bring back some of this enormous wealth and invest it green energy in AFRICA. Why ever do they want to keep it offshore where the “poor” African leaders get ripped off with minimal interest and inflation.

Africa is NOT poor. They have always had a dynamic thriving and entrepreneurial upper and middle class. They will happily pay pension and saving contributions into African savings schemes. Run in Africa by Africans.

No money should be given. Saudi etc. should sponsor green energy firms and JOBS that will build Solar panels etc. in Africa. The correct solution of green African activists should be “TRADE NOT AID” Money gets side tracked.

What they will not do is pay green taxes or cut down on the Mercedes, Audis or BMW’s. Indeed, why should they. No one in Europe or the USA does. The polluter should pay Green taxes worldwide should remain in the country of origin. Otherwise voters will not buy it. Get real.

"Mercedes, Audis or BMW’s."

What about airlines. There are an average of 100,000 flights per day world wide.

How Many Flights Per Day? Discover the Numbers Here - Trip.com

Are you curious about how many flights per day take off and land at airports around the world? Discover the answers here and learn more about the factors that can impact the number of flights. Try to calculate the answer with all flights information on Trip.com.

www.trip.com

A boeing jet burns around 10 tonnes of fuel per hour.

How Much Fuel does the Jumbo Jet Burn? | FlightDeckFriend.com

How much fuel does the Boeing 747 jumbo jet burn on a flight from London to New York? How much does this fuel cost per passenger?

www.flightdeckfriend.com

"A plane like a Boeing 747 uses approximately 1 gallon (about 4 liters) of fuel every second. Over the course of a 10-hour flight, it might burn 36,000 gallons (150,000 liters). The 747 burns approximately 5 gallons of fuel per mile (12 liters of fuel per kilometer)"

How Much Fuel Does an International Plane Use for a Trip?

Although the amount of fuel may seem high, when you do the math, it's actually not so bad.

science.howstuffworks.com

 

[Estro Felino]

This is one of those posts I keep reading over again because I am not entirely sure if I am actually reading it correctly.

You're suggesting that Africans are responsible for climate change because they have unprotected sex and only care about money?

Absolutely not.
Quite the opposite: but since we ought to bring Africa at least Second World standards of living, we will have to build factories, industrial complexes, power plants, car factories, motorways and that will incredibly pollute the continent.

So, as we Westerners don't make children because the planet is overexploited, so should them.
And yet they have incredibly high birth rates.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Absolutely not.
Quite the opposite: but since we ought to bring Africa at least Second World standards of living, we will have to build factories, industrial complexes, power plants, car factories, motorways and that will incredibly pollute the continent.

I think helping Africa recover from damage done by imperialism isn't a bad idea, but I'm not sure how much Western interference would be helpful, especially where resource exploitation is already a problem.

So, as we Westerners don't make children because the planet is overexploited, so should them.
And yet they have incredibly high birth rates.

Overpopulation occurs in multiple areas of the world. Why call out Africa, a large continent with myriad countries, cultures, and people? It strikes too close to racist stereotypes to me.

 

[Estro Felino]

Overpopulation occurs in multiple areas of the world. Why call out Africa, a large continent with myriad countries, cultures, and people? It strikes too close to racist stereotypes to me.

Because of illegals coming to Europe.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Because of illegals coming to Europe.

So because people illegally immigrate to Europe, Africans overpopulate?

 

[Estro Felino]

So because people illegally immigrate to Europe, Africans overpopulate?

Their birth rates are unsustainable.

 

[wellwisher]

The Tonga eruption may have had an impact, but climate change being influenced by excessive carbon from human infustry is still a reality. Consensus among scientists isn't just a popularity contest. It represents a conclusion drawn from evidence and knowledge from those with experience and education in the field.

The geological models of natural climate change over the past billion years, also include natural CO2. This CO2 variable is important and now the CO2 also includes manmade. However, the longer term geological data from billion years ago to the present shows that the relationship of CO2 to global temperature is not just closely followed positive feedback.

As shown below; CO2 was on the decline from about 170 million years ago until recently with temperature staying warm, even with declining CO2. That tells me there are other factors heating the earth's surface. I tend to think this is connected to geological changes such as the movement of crustal plates and mantle exposure such as from undersea volcanos. Heating the oceans from below would impact climate and may not show up as CO2; El Niño.

Notice the spike in CO2 where the label arrow is pointing to the CO2 line; 440 million years ago. There is a time delay between the rapid the drop in global temperature and then the rapid rise in temperature, as CO2 only falls. Long term patterns show both positive and negative feedback. The consensus is assuming only positive CO2 feedback and temperate staying tight over 100 years, which ignores the longer term patterns of million year delays, and even negative feedback due to other factors.

The problem with any consensus is that is not how science works. Science is not about opinions or else that would not be very good science; what type of cheese is the moon made of ? Politics is about opinion with company politics able to make or break a career if you do or say the right or the wrong thing.

I remember when global warming started to get traction, after Gore lost his bid for President and found a clever way to make money, all the way to a $billion fortune; carbon credits. The tactic that was being used to get this into the mainstream, was to harass and boycott universities and scientists, who not with the program of global warming. Science is supposed to look under every rock, but the push did not allow every rock to be examined. All eggs in one basket, only. CO2 was evil and carbon credits a money maker.

Global warming would lose traction, since the hype never panned out, even with data fudged. However, the tactics of political pressure, boycotts and even undermining careers was instituted, for the more nebulous claim of manmade climate change. Climate change is not as quantitative as global warming, and hype can make it appear to point to anything; money pit of science.

 

[JIMMY12345]

Google “Kenya and Pandora papers”. Urge ordinary Kenyans. Many of the African leaders attending the climate change summit in Kenya “yes we can” influence climate change. If they only choose to bring back some of this enormous wealth and invest it green energy in AFRICA. Why ever do they want to keep it offshore where the “poor” African leaders get ripped off with minimal interest and inflation.

Africa is NOT poor. They have always had a dynamic thriving and entrepreneurial upper and middle class. They will happily pay pension and saving contributions into African savings schemes. Run in Africa by Africans.

No money should be given. Saudi etc. should sponsor green energy firms and JOBS that will build Solar panels etc. in Africa. The correct solution of green African activists should be “TRADE NOT AID” Money gets side tracked.

What they will not do is pay green taxes or cut down on the Mercedes, Audis or BMW’s. Indeed, why should they. No one in Europe or the USA does. The polluter should pay Green taxes worldwide should remain in the country of origin. Otherwise voters will not buy it. Get real.

My friends shrugged.When they get past 100 years and die.They will save a lot of emissions bypassing cremations and burial.They will opt to be composted. Now beat that for being green.