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Does anyone know of non-theistic adaptations of the rosary (or any variations for that matter)?
James
James
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Adapted Versions of the Rosary
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James the Persian
Dreptcredincios Crestin
I know of an Orthodox adaptation of it and, of course, we have our much, much older practice of saying the Jesus Prayer whilst using a prayer rope (which is similar to a Roman Catholic rosary), but neither of those is nontheistic. You might want to look into a Buddhist mala - that's certainly not theistic, but nor is it the rosary. I have to say, though, that it sounds (correct me if I'm wrong) as though you're just referring to prayer beads/ropes of some kind as the rosary, and that's certainly what a mala is.
James
James
Littledragon
Questing Dragon
I have seen a version of one made by a chaote.. I will try to find it again. It had eight sets of beads and ended in a chaos star where the cross would be on a christian rosary. The eight sets of beads is to represent the eight rays of the chaos star.
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Littledragon
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Littledragon
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
spiritually inclined
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Interesting...so what is the chaos star, and what is recited on these beads?
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
Not sure what's recited but I can tell you the Chaos Star is. The Chaos Star was first a symbol use by Michael Moorcock in his Eternal Champion stories. The Symbol of Chaos comprises eight arrows in a radial pattern (in contrast, the symbol of Law is a single upright arrow.). It is also called the Arms of Chaos, the Arrows of Chaos, the Chaos Star or the Symbol of Eight. Moorcock conceived this symbol while writing the first Elric of Melniboné stories in the early 1960s. It was subsequently adopted into the pop-cultural mainstream, turning up in such diverse places as role-playing games and modern occult traditions.
Origins
Moorcock says
The origin of the Chaos Symbol was me doodling sitting at the kitchen table and wondering what to tell Jim Cawthorn the arms of Chaos looked like. I drew a straightforward geographical quadrant (which often has arrows, too!) N, S, E, W and then added another four directions and that was that eight arrows representing all possibilities, one arrow representing the single, certain road of Law. I have since been told to my face that it is an "ancient symbol of Chaos" and if it is then it confirms a lot of theories about the race mind. As far as I know the symbol, drawn by Jim Cawthorn, first appeared on an Elric cover of Science Fantasy in 1962, then later appeared in his first comic version of Stormbringer done by Savoy.
Technically speaking, the Blessed Virgin Mary is not a deity, so you can say the rosary to your hearts content.
athanasius
Well-Known Member
If they are adapted from the origninal purpose are they really considered the rosary? I think not.
athanasius
Well-Known Member
Very well said.
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
Well a Rosary is really just Buddhist prayer bead with something on the end right? I roses by any other name I say, doesn't really matter what you call them the idea is the same.
athanasius
Well-Known Member
Not really! The rosary is a Roman catholic devotional to the Blessed Virgin Mary, and the Trinity recalling the sacred mysteries of the life of Jesus and Mary in the bible and sacred tradition. it is also a intercessory form of prayer as well as meditative and spoken. This is completely different from Buddist prayer beads or anything else from other religions.
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
Rosary:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/4/4d/20060602151013!Rosary_2006-01-16.jpg
Buddhist Prayer Beads
Well from what I know the Buddhist pray and meditate on the bead and the concept to me, just looks a little different and for little different reasons on who or what it pray to.
athanasius
Well-Known Member
Rosary:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/4/4d/20060602151013!Rosary_2006-01-16.jpg
Buddhist Prayer Beads
Well from what I know the Buddhist pray and meditate on the bead and the concept to me, just looks a little different and for little different reasons on who or what it pray to.
I can understand what you mean. They look similar but the rosary is totally different in meaning and its invention has a different historical meaning. Also Wikipedia is not a scholarly or even good source for specific info. Any one can wright anthing on it. It could be changed by tommorrow Look into the history of the rosary and you will see.
Also notice the beads are different from the rosary!
Here is the history of the rosary and why it was created.
http://www.familyrosary.org/main/rosary-explanation.php
Littledragon
Questing Dragon
Thank you Grimmjow, that is the picture I was looking for.
I am pming Spiritually Inclined with more info (I'm not sure if it is proper to post it here). If anyone else wants it let me know
As to the whole debate about the rosary only being christian, it's just a technicality. The OP was probably using the word because of our exposure to christianity, a rosary is much more common than prayer beads.
Sweet water and light laughter
Littledragon
I am pming Spiritually Inclined with more info (I'm not sure if it is proper to post it here). If anyone else wants it let me know
As to the whole debate about the rosary only being christian, it's just a technicality. The OP was probably using the word because of our exposure to christianity, a rosary is much more common than prayer beads.
Sweet water and light laughter
Littledragon
James the Persian
Dreptcredincios Crestin
I think the problem here is that you call both the prayer and the beads on which it is counted off by the same name. This has lead to me coming across such absurdities as the mala being described as the Buddhist rosary or our own, older, tradition of preayer ropes (obliquely mentioned when your article refers to the Desert Fathers) as the Orthodox rosary. The latter is made even more confusing when one realises that there actually is an Orthodox rosary (slightly different from the RC one as aspects of that are contrary to our faith) which is a prayer said on beaded/knotted ropes which we refer to by another name (prayer ropes, in English, chotki in Russian, matanie in Romanian etc.) As I said in my last post, I think that the OP was using the term 'rosary' in the sense of the beads alone, which is why I pointed him towards a mala. Prayer beads/ropes in general are a tool that is common to any number of religions, it's how you use them (and to some degree the design), that differs from one to another.
James
jerzybg
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Hi,
I think that it is the right thread to show you my collection of prayer beads,
rosaries, chotki, tasbihs, lestovka and so on.
You can see them at: http://jerzybg.republika.pl
I think that it is the right thread to show you my collection of prayer beads,
rosaries, chotki, tasbihs, lestovka and so on.
You can see them at: http://jerzybg.republika.pl
MaddLlama
Obstructor of justice
No, they are distinctly different in their purpose and layout.
Look up the term "mala".
MaddLlama
Obstructor of justice
If that's what they choose to call themselves.
Is neo-Pagan use of prayer beads bothersome to you?
Booko
Deviled Hen
Many Baha'is use prayer beads, because there are certain verses we repeat 95 times.
The beads are sometimes in a strand, and sometimes in a loop with a tail, but it's always a pattern of 19 beads of one color (or in the loop) with 5 beads of a different color that form part of the "tail". Here's a typical example:
The beads are sometimes in a strand, and sometimes in a loop with a tail, but it's always a pattern of 19 beads of one color (or in the loop) with 5 beads of a different color that form part of the "tail". Here's a typical example: