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35 million in military aid still not released to Ukraine.

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by fantome profane, Dec 7, 2019.

  1. fantome profane

    fantome profane Keep safe, and keep your neighbours safe.
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    It is December 7th 2019, and Donald Trump will almost certainly be impeached within a few weeks.

    https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/a...f-report&year=2019&month=12&date=05&id=944751

    One of the more pathetic “defences” that has been offered by various Trump supporters is that the Ukraine got all the money so everything is ok. Not only was this argument ridiculous as there are lots of people in prison right now due to unsuccessful bribery attempts, but now it seemed that the argument isn’t even true. The money has not yet been released, and there is no explanation as to why.
     
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  2. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    Never gunna pass the Senate :(
     
  3. fantome profane

    fantome profane Keep safe, and keep your neighbours safe.
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    Didn’t say it would. But I can almost guarantee Trump will be impeached before the end of December. It is possible it will happen in the first weeks of January. But 100% it will happen.
     
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    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    All the conservatives who vote against it and represent purple states will see their statements and votes fill the airwaves for November's election.
     
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    35 million in military aid is nothing in the grand scheme of things, depending on the situation and how large an operation it may not even be enough for one 24 hour period so big deal.
    As far as the impeachment goes no surprises there but there are already fears that there is actually not enough evidence.
     
  6. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    Impeached by the House? Possibly. Which will achieve precisely nothing. See post re: never pass the Senate.
     
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    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    If "saying stupid stuff that can later be held against you" were the political lock it used to be, Trump would never have been elected in the first place.
     
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  8. fantome profane

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    In the history of the U.S. there have been only 2 Presidents that have been impeached. Trump will be the third. That means something. The history books will record this and children will learn this in school.

    If the house does not impeach that would be a tacit approval of his actions. That would be a disaster.
     
  9. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    I bet you a week's salary Trump serves his whole term. This impeachment is nothing but (much as I hate to use the phrase) virtue signalling.
     
  10. fantome profane

    fantome profane Keep safe, and keep your neighbours safe.
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    Right after the 2018 midterm election I predicted that the House would impeach and that the Senate would not convict.

    Don’t dismiss the value of “value signaling”. It is certainly better that the corruption signaling we have seen from the Whitehouse the last three years.
     
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    Didn't seem to hurt the democrats when they gave Bill Clinton a pass on perjury and obstruction of justice years ago. how is it seen today?
     
  12. fantome profane

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    Clinton was impeached. For crimes a lot less serious than those committed by Trump.
     
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    Perjury and obstruction of justice are not serious crimes? I am sure you remember all the calls to impeach Trump for obstruction of justice after the Mueller report, it seemed collusion and obstruction were the top two concerns.
     
  14. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    *sigh* Look, usually I'm the first to make "light a candle rather than curse the darkness" type arguments, but when we're talking about THIS level of criminal corruption and incompetence, with THIS much "cargo cult/Krusty is coming" type belief in the all powerful pending impeachment, I think it's important people keep things in perspective. Soooo many people are all wrapped up in this impeachment as some sort of avenging angel, coming to right all wrongs and bring peace, love and justice, just as they were wrapped up in the Mueller Probe before that, and, in many cases, Obama before that, as well.

    Frankly, at this point I don't know who to be more exhausted and disappointed by. The Trumpettes, who believe Trump's every bowel movement is a solid gold nugget, or the tribal Left, who believe if you just wish, hope and pray enough, Trump will magically vanish and their personal imaginary perfect President will make everything rainbows and unicorns.

    There's an awful lot of the exact same "wishing for a messiah figure to fix all my problems and smite all my enemies while requiring no actual effort on my part" type behaviour and rhetoric on BOTH sides.
     
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    Yes Perjury and obstruction of justice are serious crimes and I never said they were not. What I said was “Clinton was impeached. For crimes a lot less serious than those committed by Trump.” This does not mean Clinton’s actions were not serious. I am not going to defend or minimize any of his actions.

    But Trump has committed crimes much more serious than what Clinton got impeached for (even Clinton committed crimes more serious than what he got impeached for).

    Trump has betrayed his oath of office and betrayed his country. His actions had the effect of aiding a hostile nation invading Ukraine in direct opposition to the national security policy. This has seriously compromised the security of Eastern Europe, the U.S. and the world in general. And he did so to help his own election chances.

    Yes, perjury and obstruction of Justice are very serious. Trump has does this, and much much worse.
     
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    Has he? The senate trial isn't until 2020 so I think you are a little premature with your claims.

    Do you still believe Trump colluded with Russia even though Mueller himself said there was not sufficient evidence?
     
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    I believe Trump colluded with Ukraine.

    Don’t you?
     
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    The senate trial with cross examination of witnesses and evidence hasn't even started.

    There are worries they don't have enough evidence

    I will wait and see and let the chips fall where they may.

    In the meantime I will enjoy the democrat version of the hunger games in the lead up to 2020, I especially enjoy when they slit each others throats and no Katniss Everdeen to be found. Hillary was back in the news the other day blaming Bernies Sanders for her loss (the same guy she screwed over) he said she needs to stop reliving 2016.
     
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    Trump absolutely colluded with Russia. Mueller said there wasn't sufficient evidence for conspiracy against the US.

    Collusion =/= Conspiracy
     
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    Exactly
     
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