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    Whose 'logic' is it anyway?

    One might wonder what sort of logic and reasoning your argument depends on for its truth? It occurs to me that the only logic and reasoning you can possibly base your own argument on, are of the same variety that you claim to be quite unreliable. So; Using 'human' reason and logic to...
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    Speed of light is constant?

    Hey there. This may help; The Decay of c-decay
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    What does it mean to say God created time?

    Actually, each observer involved in the 'clock paradox' (akin to the twin paradox) have their own clock. When they again meet, the clocks have indeed measured different amounts of time. It is a real, physical, measurable phenomenon. "The clock-paradox phenomenon has been observed directly in an...
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    Atheist by birth?

    A bit late to the game, but I thought this worth mentioning. I may be wrong, but it seems you're implying that a distinction between 'mere disbelief', which is by definition a lack of belief (support for this below in the link), and an active denial of the existence of (god), is a relatively...
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    What is a 'theory' ?

    What is implied here is a very common misconception about the terms theory vs. law in the realm of science. Scientific theories do not 'become laws' when they garner enough support, evidence, etc. Laws and theories are quite different entities that coexist (there is, for example, both a theory...
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    The only thing more annoying than an evangelical Christian

    That you would equate... a) mocking someone's beliefs with b) threats eternal torture via fire ...is very troubling indeed. In fact, I find it quite difficult to believe that you actually do place these on equal footing. For the sake of your own sanity, I hope this was hyperbole. That...
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    Is It..

    I would say no, it is not wetter. I believe there is a shift in category going on here. The distinction being between quality and quantity. Wetness is a quality. Once completely submerged in water, the quality of wetness reaches a (prepare for pun) saturation point. There can be no further...
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    If God were truly all-powerful...?

    Indeed. The best trick ever performed, no doubt. I think you presume much - sentience for one. We witness various 'creation' sans sentience on a daily basis, as a blade of grass up through a crack in the concrete for example (unless you are some sort of animist of course). Why would this...
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    If God were truly all-powerful...?

    I tend to think so, yes. It appears many (most?) religious students I've debated with and theologians I've read or listened to tend to think so as well. Though I did have at least one admit that he didn't necessarily think that god needed to operate within logical bounds, but in order to engage...
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    If God were truly all-powerful...?

    For (at least) as far back as the 12th century, it has been commonly accepted that there are 'limitations' even with an omnipotent deity (and a bit later; "Nothing which implies contradiction falls under the omnipotence of God." -Aquinas). Simply put, omnipotence is 'the ability to do anything...
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    What is the point of asking Theists to prove our personal proofs by science?

    Nor, even if it did exist, could it be perceived or experienced in any way if we eliminate sense data. I am willing to entertain the possibility if you could provide some evidence that one could experience (anything) other than via the senses, or an amalgamation or derivative of, those senses...
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    God and Time

    Ha! Oh no, no help for you. You've fallen into the rabbit hole...worm hole?...black hole? Whatever. It's deep, and I don't plan to see you again. Good voyage... (Why must language be so woefully inadequate when it comes to the most interesting topics?)
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    God and Time

    Thanks for the response. Understood. And hopefully you will also understand that I was forced to play devil's advocate against my own argument. I was, in fact, defending the definition as proposed by the theists I was arguing against! With that, you'll excuse me from further arguing for or...
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    God and Time

    Sorry I didn't mean to imply 'without' the universe, more in addition to. Perhaps along the lines of the multiverse theory, or in a separate dimension of sorts. Only, that space and time might exist 'elsewhere' was what I had in mind. If physics dictates that that is unlikely, I'll gladly slink...
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    God and Time

    I respectfully disagree. It says, rather, that whatever term you'd like to apply to this 'state' is fine with me. I used timeless and atemporal because those are the terms the theist used that posed the initial argument. But this specific state that was proposed (by the theist), was to...
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    God and Time

    I believe I get you, but understand, I'm not arguing against a god that experiences 'each moment' or one that can experience all points in time at once, or anything of the sort. I'm not arguing against a god that has any connection to time whatsoever. The argument presented to me was of a god...
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    God and Time

    I'll just stop you there. You may want to grab a coffee... How far afield we have gotten! I take partial blame for following you down that semantic rabbit hole. That's almost always a losing game, as the actual argument rarely gets addressed - and as yet, it hasn't been here. While I...
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    God and Time

    Most don't even get that far, and I appreciate you acknowledging as much! It's like pulling teeth sometimes just to get to the actual argument. ;) Yes, and I find that...unfortunate. That fact is, a god that exists entirely within time - as the god of the Bible is portrayed - runs into some...
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    God and Time

    Understood, but this is not the sense I am eluding to. When I say timeless, I mean atemporal - without time. In some way above, beyond, unaffected by, etc., time. What you describe here is the opposite - an entity that experiences all of time. I'm not arguing against the Biblical support of an...
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    God and Time

    Sorry, as I read this again, I'd like to revisit your first line and reiterate a bit. Hopefully I'm not being too redundant here. The term that would be appropriate in that case would be multitemporal, not atemporal. Perhaps not explicitly, but it does logically follow if the something in...
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