That's a heresy, modalism.
What do you mean by modern? It was first used in the early 200s.
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What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity
- Thread starter Niatero
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Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
Good try - but it won’t make any difference to his belief - HIS belief … only very little to do with a trinity belief as every trinitarian creates their own version of what they BELIEVE trinity is about.
You proving adjectives, nouns, adverbs, etc., is far above their ability to accept it so they may read it but when it comes to applying it… uh urrhhh… no bananas today!!
Good post though for those who can accept it.
Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
I don’t know what you are referring to. Please add some context.
He’s making that up … ‘Godhead’ is not what the writer meant. The verse says that The Father was pleased that the Son should be filled with the fullness of Him. This is the occasion of Jesus being baptised (Anointed) with the SPIRIT OF GOD at the river Jordan. God spoke saying:
- ‘This is my Son in whom I am well pleased!’
- Jesus was filled with the TRIUNE GOD!
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The ‘make it up when you can’t show it’ is what Trinitarians do to try to keep truth believers off balance.
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Niatero
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Exactly. I'm sure of it now, you are definitely smarter than I thought.
Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
I’m only speaking the truth. Praise God for His truth - Worship the Father, and to Him only, show reverential service!!
Modalism, aka Sabellianism, is the idea that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one person or hypostasis who presents in different modes to humanity. It was condemned at the Third Council of Constantinople.
Well, when compared to the 'ignore it when you can't understand it' of non-Trinitarians, I prefer the humbling experience of trying to move closer to the God who is greater than human comprehension.
amazing grace
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Being a non-trinitarian myself, I honestly don't think most non-Trinitarians fall into a category of "ignore it when you can't understand it." I believe it is God's will for us to know Him and his Son Jesus Christ - that's not saying that we truly understand everything but we must know them in order to have fellowship with them.
"Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of God and Savior Jesus Christ: May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who has called us to his own glory and excellence, 2 Peter 1:1-3
I believe our fellowship with God and our Lord Jesus Christ is enhanced when we truly recgonize who they each individually.
JMHO
Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
Do you mean that you prefer a God that you cannot understand and can never know?
How do you then know that this God that you can never understand and never know carries any truth or reality in holiness and righteousness?
Where do you start in the understanding of your God?
I believe our fellowship with God and our Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is enhanced when we truly recognize who they each are individually and who they are collectively. I'm aware that this is not an easy concept to understand as it is unlike anything else. However, when you think of a person as being composed of body, mind, and spirit -- three parts in one person -- it makes understanding the concept much easier.
To me the most difficult parts to understand are that a) God is Spirit (John 4:24, "God is spirit, and the people who worship him must worship in spirit and truth") and b) that Jesus created the world (John 1:1-3, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God. The Word was with God in the beginning. All things were created by him, and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created."
This is how I have resolved the difficult problem of the Trinity.
Niatero
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You’ve only resolved part of it. You haven’t resolved the part about them talking to each other, and about each other. Body, mind and spirit of one person doesn’t resolve that.
We know God as much as we can through our limited minds; but because of the nature of the infinite, we are necessarily infinitely away from understanding God in truth. I don't find the problem that God is infinitely greater than our ability to comprehend and it makes sense that there is true mystery within God's revelation to us.
I would suggest that to know God is not an intellectual thing, but a relational one. I know God through His love for me, and I accept it like a child accepts their father's love, innocent faith and not because I have some objective/empirical observation that proves it.
My body speaks to my mind and my spirit speaks to my mind and may spirit may talk to my body through my mind. Sometimes my flesh is weak even when my spirit is willing and telling it to do something different.
I try to make truth my only preference with God.
How does a child know their father loves them?
How do you know? Are you saying you are in a position to objectively judge God in His holiness and righteousness?
My experience with and my trust and faith in Him.
InChrist
Free4ever
Maybe like One Family is comprised of distinct persons. Or One Human race is comprised of distinct people, all being unique, yet all human. I see the scriptures present ONE GOD comprised of Three Persons; Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
God is Love….
“The Bible presents a God who did not need to create any beings to experience love, communion and fellowship. This God is complete in Himself, being three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, separate and distinct, yet at the same time eternally one God. They loved and communed and fellowshiped with each other and took counsel together before the universe, angels or man were brought into existence.”
“In Romans:1:20
Paul argues that God's "eternal power and Godhead" are seen in the creation He made. God's eternal power—but His Godhead? Yes, as Dr. Wood pointed out years ago in The Secret of the Universe, the triune nature of God is stamped on His creation. The cosmos is divided into three: space, matter and time. Each of these is divided into three. Space, for instance, is composed of length, breadth and width, each separate and distinct in itself, yet the three are one. Length, breadth and width are not three spaces, but three dimensions comprising one space. Run enough lines lengthwise and you take in the whole. But so it is with the width and height. Each is separate and distinct, yet each is all of space—just as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is each God.
Time also is a trinity: past, present and future—two invisible and one visible. Each is separate and distinct, yet each is the whole. Man himself is a triunity of spirit, soul and body, two of which are invisible, one visible. Many more details could be given of the Godhead's triunity reflected in the universe. It can hardly be coincidence.”
The Trinity
Many Christians are at a loss to understand, much less to defend, the "Trinity." Critics argue that that word is not even found in the Bible. To deal with that issue, we must begin with God,
Niatero
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I don't object to people thinking about God any way they want to, if they think it helps them. My only objection is to people thinking that they know what or who God is and that any other way of thinking is wrong.
amazing grace
Active Member
I understand that man is comprised of spirit and soul and body as it says in 2 Thess. 2:12 - Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Those components are what make a human being a human being! Those components are not three individual distinct persons making one complete person.
I understand the prologue of John from a different perspective.
The only difficult part of the Trinity is that it is not true. God is not Triune - He is one which is shown throughout scripture by use of singular pronouns when speaking of Him/Himself. God cannot be man and be man at the same time and scripture plainly tells us he is not a man. God cannot be mortal and immortal at the same time. God cannot be tempted and tempted at the same time.
amazing grace
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My body is animated by my mind and spirit - my body is active because I have a mind and spirit. None of these components that a person is comprised of can live independently of one another.
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
It is a given that not only the different religions, but many of the churches consider their belief the only true belief and reject the others,
I am not sure what you object or not object to has any traction in "What is the subjective nature of God or Gods?'.
Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
The Scriptures tells all about the nature of God, who God is… The problem is about people who have an agenda to destroy it and put their own ‘God’ on the throne….
And we know who is the inspirer of such an objective!!! The sad things is about those who believe the lie and are doing what ‘he’ (the devilish one) wants under the guise of serving ‘the God of the scriptures’ but discard what is written about ‘HIM’ (the one true God: the Father)