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Irony of the evolutionary belief

Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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leroy said:
Sounds like a word game and an excuse to avoid the question . All I need to do is change the word God for Designer . And your whole argument will colapse

So

1 the big bang was caused by a designer

2 the big bag was casued y an unknown natural mechanism


Why do you prefer 2 over 1?

We know that Designers and nature excist. So we are even.

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Oh my, you still do not know how to reason rationally after all of these years. We have evidence for natural mechanisms. We do not have reliable evidence for a designer. And we have evidence for both elephants and dark matter. As usual your analogy fails.
 
Pogo

Pogo

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leroy said:
Sounds like a word game and an excuse to avoid the question . All I need to do is change the word God for Designer . And your whole argument will collapse

So

1 the big bang was caused by a designer

2 the big bag was casued y an unknown natural mechanism


Why do you prefer 2 over 1?

We know that Designers and nature excist. So we are even.

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Yes this word game was already tried and found lacking.
Look up Cdesign Proponentsists and you will learn all about pretending to substitute a "designer" gor your god.
 
Valjean

Valjean

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leroy said:
Sounds like a word game and an excuse to avoid the question . All I need to do is change the word God for Designer . And your whole argument will colapse.
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How so? The two terms are pretty much semantically interchangeable in this case.
leroy said:
1 the big bang was caused by a designer

2 the big bag was casued y an unknown natural mechanism

Why do you prefer 2 over 1?

We know that Designers and nature excist. So we are even.
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But we don't know that an intentional, supernatural designer of the universe exists. There is no empirical evidence of any such thing, and given option #2, there's no need for one.
We know that chimpanzees exist too, but noöne's claiming they're designers.
 
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F1fan

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leroy said:
Sounds like a word game and an excuse to avoid the question . All I need to do is change the word God for Designer . And your whole argument will collapse

So

1 the big bang was caused by a designer

2 the big bag was casued y an unknown natural mechanism


Why do you prefer 2 over 1?

We know that Designers and nature excist. So we are even.

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What designer are you referring to that is known to exist? I ask because we can't just guess one exists, can we? But we do observe nature doing all sorts of things around us.
 
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Eli G

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The fulfillment of biblical prophecies is reliable proof that the God of those who were inspired to write them exists, knows the future and can also shape it as He pleases.

Is. 41:23 Tell us what will happen in the future, So that we may know that you are gods. Yes, do something, good or bad, So that we may be amazed when we see it.
...42:9 See, the first things have come to pass; Now I am declaring new things. Before they spring up, I tell you about them.
... 43:19 Look! I am doing something new; Even now it is springing up. Do you not recognize it? I will make a way through the wilderness And rivers through the desert.
 
leroy

leroy

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Subduction Zone said:
Oh my, you still do not know how to reason rationally after all of these years. We have evidence for natural mechanisms.
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But you dont have evidence for natural mechanisms capable of causing big bangs

Subduction Zone said:
We do not have reliable evidence for a designer.
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We have evidence for designers (people for example)

Subduction Zone said:
And we have evidence for both elephants and dark matter. As usual your analogy fails.
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Make an effort and try to understand your flaw


From the fact that natural mechanisms excist, it doest follow that natural mechanisms caused the big bag , is it really to hard to understand?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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leroy said:
But you dont have evidence for natural mechanisms capable of causing big bangs



We have evidence for designers (people for example)


Make an effort and try to understand your flaw


From the fact that natural mechanisms excist, it doest follow that natural mechanisms caused the big bag , is it really to hard to understand?
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If you want to have a discussion you have to pay attention.
 
leroy

leroy

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F1fan said:
What designer are you referring to that is known to exist? I ask because we can't just guess one exists, can we? But we do observe nature doing all sorts of things around us.
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All I am saying is that from the fact that nature excist it doesn't follow that the big bang was caused by the nature ..... so ether agree or refute this claim........ any attempt to change the topih will be ignored.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Eli G said:
The fulfillment of biblical prophecies is reliable proof that the God of those who were inspired to write them exists, knows the future and can also shape it as He pleases.

Is. 41:23 Tell us what will happen in the future, So that we may know that you are gods. Yes, do something, good or bad, So that we may be amazed when we see it.
...42:9 See, the first things have come to pass; Now I am declaring new things. Before they spring up, I tell you about them.
... 43:19 Look! I am doing something new; Even now it is springing up. Do you not recognize it? I will make a way through the wilderness And rivers through the desert.
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I do not know of any fulfilled biblical prophecies when one puts the same conditions on them that Christians or any rational person would put upon the prophecies of others.

Do you want to know the reasonable limitations that you must surpass to have a "true prophecy"?
 
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F1fan

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leroy said:
All I am saying is that from the fact that nature excist it doesn't follow that the big bang was caused by the nature .....
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Who says? Based on what facts?

Experts can't really point to any specific cause. No one can rule out that the singularity that expanded into the universe wasn't just unstable and self-caused. There are many self-caused phenomenon.
leroy said:
so ether agree or refute this claim........ any attempt to change the topih will be ignored.
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I want to know why cancer exists if a creator/designer caused all things. Do you have that answer?
 
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Eli G

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We humans could have been perfect if our first parents had not separated from their Creator. Due to their betrayal, their descendants inherit his genetically failed condition. That caused a lot of damage to humans, but in the future all that damage can be reversed. It is enough for you to trust in the Creator that our fathers abandoned and follow his instructions. Don't blame anyone if you don't want to benefit from the opportunity.

Rev. 22:17 And the spirit and the bride keep on saying, “Come!” and let anyone hearing say, “Come!” and let anyone thirsting come; let anyone who wishes take life’s water free.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Eli G said:
As said: evolutionists own not only science, but also logic. Eat it all. ;)
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No, they do not own science any more than Christians own their God. Scientists follow the scientific method. That is what makes the scientists. They do not own it. They cannot tell others that they cannot use the scientific method. Creationists could use the scientific method too, but they would rather claim that their own God is a liar. Why do they do this? I have no clue.
 
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