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You shall not boil a kid in its mother's ?????

Ehav4Ever

Well-Known Member
Concerning Kashrut, the explaination given in the Torah is that Benei Yisrael are supposed to be a set-apart nation, or distinct. Not just practices, but also in concept of how those practices are carried out and the societal and philosphical focus around them. One idea that has been "proposed" concerning Shehhitta is a point of view from anatomy. See below.

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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I have only this: This is reaching but does a cow make enough milk to boil its own calf in? It would have to be a small calf. Perhaps this could be interpreted as a figure of speech saying not to cook them when they are young with implications about other things. If it is written three times I don't know why, though I was told that anything written three times was very significant. I've no idea why, but perhaps it is about more than cows. By extension if you may not cook a calf you certainly may not kill a human child. This is not how the verse is explained though. It is a dietary restriction not to combine meat with milk.
Probably means cooking whatever cut of meat in or with the milk, like for breading or stews or whatever.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Concerning Kashrut, the explaination given in the Torah is that Benei Yisrael are supposed to be a set-apart nation, or distinct. Not just practices, but also in concept of how those practices are carried out and the societal and philosphical focus around them. One idea that has been "proposed" concerning Shehhitta is a point of view from anatomy. See below.

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How do they reason it's painless? It doesn't explain how any of that works. From my understanding of anatomy either scenario wouldn't be any different from cutting a human's carotid and them bleeding out. That's not exactly painless, especially when we add in fear and stress cause pain.
 

Ehav4Ever

Well-Known Member
How do they reason it's painless? It doesn't explain how any of that works. From my understanding of anatomy either scenario wouldn't be any different from cutting a human's carotid and them bleeding out. That's not exactly painless, especially when we add in fear and stress cause pain.
It starts like this.
  1. The Creator gave the Yisraeli people the Torah at Mount Sinai.
  2. There are some of the Torah, in the written text, where no specific reason is give for particular mitzvoth except that it makes the Yisrael people distinct.
  3. Outside of that we can try to determine advantages or speculation of what we were given.
  4. One aspect of speculation is based on the anatomy of kosher animals. Concerning this particular issue cutting, with a very sharp knife by a skilled Jewish Schohhet, of the Carotid artery affects the blood flow to the Vertrabal artery which has been found to happen in a way to quickly cut off the blood flow the brain.
    • The above situaiton is not the case with the anatomy of non-kosher animals like horse's and pigs. A cut to their Carotid artery does not have the same affect, thus a cut would have to happen on both arteries at the same time to have same effect.
    • This is like saying, "It is as if the animals that are kosher fit the method of shehhitta that Jews were commanded ot use.
All of the above goes back to the idea of commands being given to make the Jewish people distinct.
 

Ehav4Ever

Well-Known Member
How do they reason it's painless? It doesn't explain how any of that works. From my understanding of anatomy either scenario wouldn't be any different from cutting a human's carotid and them bleeding out. That's not exactly painless, especially when we add in fear and stress cause pain.
Concerning the fear and stress issue. Jewish law forbids us from causing the animal fear and stress. There is actually requirements about how the animal is prepared for the process. Further, it has to be done quickly w/o taking a lot of time give the animal the ability to be stressed by the procedure. Also, there are very strict requirements about what type of knife can be used and how it must be EXTREMELY sharp and checked in particular ways. Further, the process does initiate a precipitous drop in blood pressure and blood perfusion of the brain, bringing about a (permanent) loss of consciousness

Concerning human anatomy, you have to remember that humans are not kosher. Thus, if you look at the anatomy it has the same issue as non-kosher animals when it comes to blood flow to the brain.

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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Concerning the fear and stress issue. Jewish law forbids us from causing the animal fear and stress. There is actually requirements about how the animal is prepared for the process. Further, it has to be done quickly w/o taking a lot of time give the animal the ability to be stressed by the procedure. Also, there are very strict requirements about what type of knife can be used and how it must be EXTREMELY sharp and checked in particular ways. Further, the process does initiate a precipitous drop in blood pressure and blood perfusion of the brain, bringing about a (permanent) loss of consciousness

Concerning human anatomy, you have to remember that humans are not kosher. Thus, if you look at the anatomy it has the same issue as non-kosher animals when it comes to blood flow to the brain.

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Ok, so no real links but only speculation.
By the way, those animals still know fear and pain. They say lethal injection is painless, but it's not.
 

Ehav4Ever

Well-Known Member
Ok, so no real links but only speculation.
By the way, those animals still know fear and pain. They say lethal injection is painless, but it's not.
It all depends on how you want to look at. At the end of the day the claim is that Jews were given a specific / distinct way to do things. As a side note part of the goal in the process of Shehhitta is to cause the animal as little distress as possible and there has been research to show it is greatly minmized by the process of Shehhitta. This is also the case when you look at animals in the wild that are hunted are treated by the animals that hunt them.
 
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