The growing repudiation of NBC's hiring of former RNC chair Ronna McDaniel

F1fan said:

Yeah, typical dismissal of any fact. It’s like trying to dismiss your murder indictment as no big deal because everyone gets parking tickets so we are all criminals.

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No, it is not like that at all.

F1fan said:

You wouldn’t make this broad dismissal if you weren’t ashamed of the media you use.

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This is a conclusion you have no supporting evidence for.

F1fan said:

I use top tier journalism like Reuters, AP, BBC, NPR, the major news outlets, NY Times, etc.

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Good for you. Do you think they are unbiased?

Clizby Wampuscat said:

No, it is not like that at all.

This is a conclusion you have no supporting evidence for.

Good for you. Do you think they are unbiased?

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By definition, every source is biased, but that doesn't preclude understanding these biases.
Here is a generally accepted rating source and an article on how it came to be.
Read it and see where your sources fall on this chart.

Opinion | Why I decided to rate the news​

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McDaniel is gone.

Jayhawker Soule said:

McDaniel is gone.

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Good!

Jayhawker Soule said:

McDaniel is gone.

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Should have booted whatever clown hired her too.

Pogo said:

By definition, every source is biased, but that doesn't preclude understanding these biases.
Here is a generally accepted rating source and an article on how it came to be.
Read it and see where your sources fall on this chart.

Opinion | Why I decided to rate the news​

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Well this is interesting. Reading the methodology I find one issue. Where do they account for stories declined to cover? They analysis is what is produced but not what is ignored.

I look at CNN, FOX, BBC, Yahoo, WSJ, Forbes. But I like to go to the source documents such as the actual indictments against Trump or DOJ report on Biden's mishandling of classified documents. I never trust what the media says they say. They are usually wrong in some way as to what the documents say.

Jayhawker Soule said:

McDaniel is gone.

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Yes instead of having a different voice and refuting her ideas with evidence they mobbed up and got her kicked off. Typical leftist nowadays, They used to like free speech, sharing ideas and debate. Not anymore.

Clizby Wampuscat said:

Well this is interesting. Reading the methodology I find one issue. Where do they account for stories declined to cover? They analysis is what is produced but not what is ignored.

I look at CNN, FOX, BBC, Yahoo, WSJ, Forbes. But I like to go to the source documents such as the actual indictments against Trump or DOJ report on Biden's mishandling of classified documents. I never trust what the media says they say. They are usually wrong in some way as to what the documents say.

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Stories that who declined to cover? 30 three person teams can't possibly cover all of the media so I assume they cover the stories that are of wider interest and leave out stories with no differentiation. Whatever, it is a sample that generates repeatable and consistent results between their teams as they explain.

Pogo said:

Stories that who declined to cover? 30 three person teams can't possibly cover all of the media so I assume they cover the stories that are of wider interest and leave out stories with no differentiation. Whatever, it is a sample that generates repeatable and consistent results between their teams as they explain.

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What I mean is MSNBC routinely fails to cover negative stories about Biden or has declined to air Trump speeches. This is a bias not accounted for in their methodology as far as I can tell. The stories they choose to cover says something about their bias.

Clizby Wampuscat said:

What I mean is MSNBC routinely fails to cover negative stories about Biden or has declined to air Trump speeches. This is a bias not accounted for in their methodology as far as I can tell. The stories they choose to cover says something about their bias.

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On the contrary, that is why they are on the left once you realize that calling stories negative or positive is showing bias already. Stories are reported and ton, tenor, editorializing is what determines left or right.

Pogo said:

On the contrary, that is why they are on the left once you realize that calling stories negative or positive is showing bias already. Stories are reported and ton, tenor, editorializing is what determines left or right.

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But my point is some stories are not reported on due to bias.

And we all know a story about a politician smoking crack with a hooker is a negative story. Whatever harms a politicians chances at getting elected is a negative story. I think that is obvious not bias.

Clizby Wampuscat said:

Yes instead of having a different voice

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Lying is not a different voice, it's lying.

Clizby Wampuscat said:

and refuting her ideas with evidence

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Her lies are not up for debate, they are lies.

Clizby Wampuscat said:

they mobbed up and got her kicked off.

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Because she's a liar.

Clizby Wampuscat said:

Typical leftist nowadays, They used to like free speech, sharing ideas and debate. Not anymore.

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Free speech has nothing to do with it. She was offered a job. It's a news organization that forgot to value integrity. They got it right by changing their minds. She will find a job on FOX, or Newsmax, or somewhere else that doesn't have ethical practices.

Clizby Wampuscat said:

Yes instead of having a different voice and refuting her ideas with evidence they mobbed up and got her kicked off. Typical leftist nowadays, They used to like free speech, sharing ideas and debate. Not anymore.

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As a matter of fact, the OP offers a perfect example of (in this case the Washington Post) "refuting her ideas with evidence" ...

Jayhawker Soule said:

She offered an example. “When you have states like Pennsylvania go from 260,000 mail ballots in 2016 to 2.6 million,” McDaniel said, “saying, ‘You know what? When you get rid of ID for all mail-in ballots,’ that’s a concern. We should all be concerned about the care, custody, integrity of every ballot.” Welker responded to this claim by saying that the Supreme Court “didn’t take up concerns about the election results in Pennsylvania and the slew of other states.” But she could have pointed out that everything McDaniel said was easily explained — and a reiteration of the same strain of election denial that NBC News and any other legitimate news outlets should strive to uproot.Pennsylvania saw a surge in mail-in ballots partly because of the coronavirus pandemic, of course, as anyone who was a sentient adult before 2020 should recognize. But it is also because, in 2019 — before the pandemic — the Republican-led legislature in the state passed Act 77, a law expanding the ability of residents to vote absentee. [emphasis added - JS]

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Meanwhile, you whine about "free speech, sharing ideas and debate" while castigating the handful of folks who exercised their free speech and shared their ideas as "typical leftists" who "mobbed up." It's truly laughable hypocrisy run amok.

F1fan said:

Free speech has nothing to do with it. She was offered a job. It's a news organization that forgot to value integrity. They got it right by changing their minds. She will find a job on FOX, or Newsmax, or somewhere else that doesn't have ethical practices.

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Another words, it remains to be a strictly leftest rag organization.

Twilight Hue said:

Another words, it remains to be a strictly leftest rag organization.

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Only from an intolerant right wing extremist perspective. Go ahead and keep valuing lies and disinformation because you can't handle reality.

Have you ever ackowledged that Trump lost in 2020?

Well NBC better get their lawyers primed because there will be a civil suit headed their way in the very near future.

I look at the NBC talking head temper tantrum, as due to their deep insecurity. Even one highly intelligent Conservative among a gang of Liberal talking heads, will create a panic. Ronna McDaniel was a former RNC Chair, with a Chairmen from either major political party, having to be a very qualified person and known team builder. They were afraid of her taking their jobs, by her inclusion, potentially altering the NBC format, if she was a draw; far more interesting and balanced shows.

NBC is no longer a leader in news, but is more about opinion and propaganda that panders to Liberal bias; Reality TV news. The brass at NBC saw its market share as declined and flat, and figured if they can add a bright Right wing woman, they could start to balance their station, and return to the old days of doing news, instead of reality TV news. That former format worked well during the hate Trump days, but times have changed, with Biden in office and Trump given radio silence.

Fox News, is killing all the other stations, almost combined. It pivoted from just being very Right wing, to having many Left wing contributors, that are given free rein to express their views in panel discussions. This is drawing new audience share, with FOX dominating. More people, like the Independents want to learn from both sides. Fox will also spend more time on human interest stories, like the recent bridge collapse in Baltimore. The Trump hate fest is getting old, and more people would prefer to get back to the old days of real news that is neutral concern.

The talking head staff at NBC prefers to hang onto glory days and remain in the past catering to a niche audience, who can be sold anything anti-Trump. They do not wish the competition from a smart woman, who if successful and liked, could change the NBC format; more in the middle. Fake new personalities may loose jobs, seeing Mc Daniel would be the smartest person on the station, and may eventually get the top time slots.

This almost nervous breakdown reminded me of the change to computers in the work space back on early 2000's. The Unions were up in arms thinking that the revenge of the robots was at hand; loss of union dues. But as everyone got use to it, it was not as bad as the bogeyman,, they had imagined. There was nothing to fear but fear itself. In the case of NBC, the fear spread and the actors union, and brass at NBC and DNC decided staying flat was best for now. NBC is still a prisoner for now.

F1fan said:

Lying is not a different voice, it's lying.

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And MSNBC hosts lie all the time.

F1fan said:

Her lies are not up for debate, they are lies.

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The just expose her lies, make her look like a fool.

F1fan said:

Because she's a liar.

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So is every politician and media host on a lot of networks including MSNBC

F1fan said:

Free speech has nothing to do with it. She was offered a job. It's a news organization that forgot to value integrity. They got it right by changing their minds. She will find a job on FOX, or Newsmax, or somewhere else that doesn't have ethical practices.

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This site says that claims made on MSNBC are 66% half true to completely false. So you claiming MSNBC has ethical standards is dubious at best.

Clizby Wampuscat said:

Yes instead of having a different voice and refuting her ideas with evidence they mobbed up and got her kicked off. Typical leftist nowadays, They used to like free speech, sharing ideas and debate. Not anymore.

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Nice use of Alinksy's rule no. 4!

Jayhawker Soule said:

From Politico:

NBC's McDaniel mess threatens to explode​

The uproar inside NBC over Ronna McDaniel’s hiring spilled into Monday morning as more of the network’s top personalities denounced the deal with the former RNC chair, escalating a battle over the relationship between powerful media companies and Donald Trump’s loyalists.​

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The decision to hire McDaniel, which was unanimously supported by top network executives, has already divided and destabilized one of America’s most storied news organizations, with internal dismay flaring on text chains and Slack channels since the deal was announced late last week.​

Excerpting from CNN:

Chuck Todd rips NBC News for hiring former RNC chair Ronna NcDaniel​

Stephen Hayes, editor of the conservative online outlet The Dispatch, added that McDaniel has “huge credibility problems, not because she’s been a partisan spinner on behalf of the Republican Party, but because she not only presided but directed, drove, the QAnonization of the Republican Party during her tenure.”​

And, excerpting from the Washington Post:

Ronna MbDaniel quickly demonstrates that her view isn't worth the cost​

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“When you’re the RNC chair you, kind of, take one for the whole team, right?” she said. “Now I get to be, a little bit, more myself, right?”​

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This came as she was distancing herself from Trump’s rhetoric celebrating those arrested for the riot at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021 — celebrations to which she said she objected. But when Welker later pointed to McDaniel’s new claim that President Biden had been elected “fair and square” to ask why viewers should trust her, the former party chair insisted that she was being consistent.​

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“I am not changing my tune,” McDaniel said. “This is where I have been.”​

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Of course there’s no reason to grant McDaniel a baseline assumption of honesty, much less consistency. But this top-line conflict between past and current statements obscures the real issue.​

McDaniel did say Biden won “fair and square,” yes, but also insisted that “it’s fair to say there were problems in 2020.”​

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She offered an example.​

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“When you have states like Pennsylvania go from 260,000 mail ballots in 2016 to 2.6 million,” McDaniel said, “saying, ‘You know what? When you get rid of ID for all mail-in ballots,’ that’s a concern. We should all be concerned about the care, custody, integrity of every ballot.”​

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Welker responded to this claim by saying that the Supreme Court “didn’t take up concerns about the election results in Pennsylvania and the slew of other states.” But she could have pointed out that everything McDaniel said was easily explained — and a reiteration of the same strain of election denial that NBC News and any other legitimate news outlets should strive to uproot.​

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Pennsylvania saw a surge in mail-in ballots partly because of the coronavirus pandemic, of course, as anyone who was a sentient adult before 2020 should recognize. But it is also because, in 2019 — before the pandemic — the Republican-led legislature in the state passed Act 77, a law expanding the ability of residents to vote absentee.​

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Kudos to those who are repudiating this hiring.

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Its confusing that a biased (D) media outlet even hire her to begin with!