Irony of the evolutionary belief

ElishaElijah · Mar 4, 2024

Your quote is false and shows you don’t understand the Bible, you say you studied it yet make ignorant comments like this one:

@shunyadragon your quote:
* Well, yes it easy to make up anything you want when you believe in ancient tribal religions, such as a literal belief in the Bible. You can believe a world flood, dragons a diverse selection of Gods, other supernatural creatures, or a universe less than 10,000 years old. Yes this is the belief of those that wrote and compiled the Pentateuch and believed by the authors of the NT of the whole meaning tof the text. This represents why ancient tribal world views are totally disconnected with the reality of the real universe we know through science and history today. Christians try to desperately deal with the contradictions with just plain denial, and many different interpretations to justify this conundrum, which is unresolvable.

ElishaElijah · Mar 4, 2024

shunyadragon said:
Theory? Too vague. You do not operate from the perspective of science, archaeology and academic history.

More reality for the age of creation:

The oldest tree in the world (and the 7 runner-ups)

From Prometheus and Methuselah to trees in remote forests of China, these are the most ancient known trees on Earth.

www.livescience.com

John53 · Mar 4, 2024

ElishaElijah said:
More reality for the age of creation:

The oldest tree in the world (and the 7 runner-ups)

From Prometheus and Methuselah to trees in remote forests of China, these are the most ancient known trees on Earth.

www.livescience.com

How is this reality for the age of creation? I only see reality of the age of some trees.

shunyadragon · Mar 4, 2024

ElishaElijah said:
More reality for the age of creation:

The oldest tree in the world (and the 7 runner-ups)

From Prometheus and Methuselah to trees in remote forests of China, these are the most ancient known trees on Earth.

www.livescience.com

More reality based on the documented over 150,000 years of lake varves in a Japanese lake. They count lake varves the same way as they count tree rings one year at a rime as they form each year.

Japanese lake sediment unlocks 150,000 years of history

www.socsci.ox.ac.uk

A long-running research relationship between Takeshi Nakagawa (Ritsumeikan University, Japan) and researchers in the Oxford University School of Archaeology has led to the ongoing study of sediment from a very special lake in Japan.

The Lake Suigetsu Project has produced a global benchmark for radiocarbon dating and continues to provide significant data on volcanic eruptions and climate change. The growth of public interest in the lake led to the opening of the Varve Museum in 2018, drawing visitors from across Japan and beyond to experience this extraordinary research destination.
At the heart of this work is a close collaboration between Professor Nakagawa and two scientists working in the School of Archaeology in Oxford: Professor Victoria Smith (a volcanologist leading the Oxford Tephrochronology Group) and Professor Christopher Bronk Ramsey (Oxford Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit).
Professor Nakagawa first approached Professor Bronk Ramsey in 2005 to propose using the sediment of Lake Suigetsu to generate a radiocarbon calibration dataset.
Located in the Hokuriku region of Japan, Lake Suigetsu provides exceptional conditions for the formation of 'varves' — layers of sediment formed in stripes that allow accurate dating to take place.
Because the lake is still with no connecting rivers and no life on the lake bottom, the varves have been allowed to form seasonally with very little interference. These conditions promised a potentially unique opportunity for paleo-environmental study.
The research collaboration began in 2006, when the lake was carefully cored from four boreholes. The composite sediment sequence produced extended 76 metres and spanned approximately 150,000 years — significantly higher than previous examples found in tree rings.
Professor Bronk Ramsey and his team carried out over 600 radiocarbon measurements using these sediment cores, combining the data with varve counts to produce an independent chronology.
This was later integrated into IntCal13, an internationally recognised calibration dataset used to convert radiocarbon measurements into calendar ages. IntCal has proven to be an invaluable tool for researchers using chronology, including geographers, archaeologists and earth scientists. It has been cited over 10,000 times since publication in 2013.

ElishaElijah · Mar 4, 2024

shunyadragon said:
More reality based on the documented over 150,000 years of lake varves in a Japanese lake. They count lake varves the same way as they count tree rings one year at a rime as they form each year.

Japanese lake sediment unlocks 150,000 years of history

www.socsci.ox.ac.uk

A long-running research relationship between Takeshi Nakagawa (Ritsumeikan University, Japan) and researchers in the Oxford University School of Archaeology has led to the ongoing study of sediment from a very special lake in Japan.
The Lake Suigetsu Project has produced a global benchmark for radiocarbon dating and continues to provide significant data on volcanic eruptions and climate change. The growth of public interest in the lake led to the opening of the Varve Museum in 2018, drawing visitors from across Japan and beyond to experience this extraordinary research destination.
At the heart of this work is a close collaboration between Professor Nakagawa and two scientists working in the School of Archaeology in Oxford: Professor Victoria Smith (a volcanologist leading the Oxford Tephrochronology Group) and Professor Christopher Bronk Ramsey (Oxford Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit).
Professor Nakagawa first approached Professor Bronk Ramsey in 2005 to propose using the sediment of Lake Suigetsu to generate a radiocarbon calibration dataset.
Located in the Hokuriku region of Japan, Lake Suigetsu provides exceptional conditions for the formation of 'varves' — layers of sediment formed in stripes that allow accurate dating to take place.
Because the lake is still with no connecting rivers and no life on the lake bottom, the varves have been allowed to form seasonally with very little interference. These conditions promised a potentially unique opportunity for paleo-environmental study.
The research collaboration began in 2006, when the lake was carefully cored from four boreholes. The composite sediment sequence produced extended 76 metres and spanned approximately 150,000 years — significantly higher than previous examples found in tree rings.
Professor Bronk Ramsey and his team carried out over 600 radiocarbon measurements using these sediment cores, combining the data with varve counts to produce an independent chronology.
This was later integrated into IntCal13, an internationally recognised calibration dataset used to convert radiocarbon measurements into calendar ages. IntCal has proven to be an invaluable tool for researchers using chronology, including geographers, archaeologists and earth scientists. It has been cited over 10,000 times since publication in 2013.

Well would like to see how they get to billions, even by their method.

Varves, Tree-Rings, and Radiocarbon Prove Old Earth?

The BioLogos Foundation published a popular-level article by old-earth geologists Gregg Davidson and Ken Wolgemuth presenting arguments for an old earth.

answersresearchjournal.org

shunyadragon · Mar 4, 2024

ElishaElijah said:
Varves, Tree-Rings, and Radiocarbon Prove Old Earth?

The BioLogos Foundation published a popular-level article by old-earth geologists Gregg Davidson and Ken Wolgemuth presenting arguments for an old earth.

answersresearchjournal.org

Lake varves show over 150,000 years of consistent annual deposits of sediment without any possibility of a world flood,

Yes, that is about the age of the oldest living trees. So what?!?!?!

IndigoChild5559 · Mar 4, 2024

ElishaElijah said:
Varves, Tree-Rings, and Radiocarbon Prove Old Earth?

The BioLogos Foundation published a popular-level article by old-earth geologists Gregg Davidson and Ken Wolgemuth presenting arguments for an old earth.

answersresearchjournal.org

No one uses carbon 14 dating to date the earth. Carbon 14 can only be used on organic materials, not rocks, and cannot date back further than about 60,000 years. The radiometric dating that is used for the oldest rocks measures Uranium-Lead, if I remember correctly.

ElishaElijah · Mar 4, 2024

shunyadragon said:
Lake varves show over 150,000 years of consistent annual deposits of sediment without any possibility of a world flood,

Yes, that is about the age of the oldest living trees. So what?!?!?!

Have you figured how deep you need to drill for the billions of years old scenario you got? You probably be at the core. Don’t think that works, I think my timeline is a lot closer even by your method.
Yeah, you would think there would be some trees about 500,000 years old someplace in the billions of years scenario, yet the living things we got and the world we live in still look like Genesis 1.

Subduction Zone · Mar 4, 2024

ElishaElijah said:
Have you figured how deep you need to drill for the billions of years old scenario you got? You probably be at the core. Don’t think that works, I think my timeline is a lot closer even by your method.
Yeah, you would think there would be some trees about 500,000 years old someplace in the billions of years scenario, yet the living things we got and the world we live in still look like Genesis 1.

What? No, no depositional goes back to the start. There are always going to be some interruptions. There will often be gaps in the sedimentary history in any one site. But we can tie different sites together by the fossil assemblages that they have. You need to face facts. Genesis is a myth.

Dan From Smithville · Mar 4, 2024

John53 said:
How is this reality for the age of creation? I only see reality of the age of some trees.

I don't think those facts are understood and the meaning recognized. It seems to be another exercise in confirmation bias.

Dan From Smithville · Mar 4, 2024

shunyadragon said:
Lake varves show over 150,000 years of consistent annual deposits of sediment without any possibility of a world flood,

Yes, that is about the age of the oldest living trees. So what?!?!?!

And the deposition of the Antarctic ice cap with something like 130,000 to 150,000 annual layers and no flood evidence. Not to forget that a global flood would have destroyed the ice caps.

shunyadragon · Mar 4, 2024

ElishaElijah said:
Have you figured how deep you need to drill for the billions of years old scenario you got? You probably be at the core. Don’t think that works, I think my timeline is a lot closer even by your method.

I am a geologist and hydrogeologist and operated core drill rigs thousands of feet thick into ancient rocks It is easy by modern technology to drill even deeper. No not at the core, but in the the eroded crust we live on you can find rock of the whole range of ages due to mountain uplift and erosion of ancient mountains.

ElishaElijah said:
Yeah, you would think there would be some trees about 500,000 years old someplace in the billions of years scenario, yet the living things we got and the world we live in still look like Genesis 1.

Trees of course do not live that long, but we can find petrified trees and fossil trees in rock formations millions of years old. Many of these ancient trees are found standing in the rock formations where they grew and uncovered in coal mines thousands of feet deep in the earth in West Virginia

Look at Genesis 1 all you want I provide documentation of uniform consistent sediment varves in a lake150,000 years old, which is older than any Genesis 1 interpretation. You have failed to respond to this, andI could cite even older directly age measurable ancient rocks.

ElishaElijah · Mar 4, 2024

shunyadragon said:
Look at Genesis 1 all you want I provide documentation of uniform consistent sediment varves in a lake150,000 years old, which is older than any Genesis 1 interpretation. You have failed to respond to this, andI could cite even older directly age measurable ancient rocks.

I did respond to that but you must’ve missed it.
You say 150k years old which is a far cry from billions. It doesn’t even phase me because it’s all speculation and of course as science goes, it’s subject to change, and proves nothing.
Genesis 1 wins again, God check mates you every time. In the end the Word of God always proves to be true.

ElishaElijah · Mar 4, 2024

@shunyadragon
Which is is that you’re positive of 150k years old or billions of years old? You’re off by 999,850.000
@1 billion but you were sure it’s more than that, right?

shunyadragon · Mar 4, 2024

ElishaElijah said:
I did respond to that but you must’ve missed it.
You say 150k years old which is a far cry from billions. It doesn’t even phase me because it’s all speculation and of course as science goes, it’s subject to change, and proves nothing.

It documents 150,000 years of uniform consistent seasonal deposition far older than anything in Genesis 1 or the Pentateuch. you do not need billions of years to disprove the Pentateuch just 150,000 years will do just fine.

You have no comprehension or knowledge of Geology to understand the Geologic evidence for dating rocks that have been explained to you many times.. We do have continuous geologic columns thousands of feet thick of cyclic deposition of sandstone, mudstone, shales and limestone in various places in the world determined by drilling cores.

ElishaElijah said:
Genesis 1 wins again, God check mates you every time. In the end the Word of God always proves to be true.

How does Genesi 1 or anything in the Pentateuch including the flood win anything outside of a documented history 150,000 years except the circular interpretation of the text only?

No evidence of a Noah flood.

ElishaElijah · Mar 4, 2024

shunyadragon said:
It documents 150,000 years of uniform consistent seasonal deposition far older than anything in Genesis 1 or the Pentateuch.

You have no comprehension or knowledge of Geology to understand the Geologic evidence for dating rocks. We do have continuous geologic columns thousands of feet thick in various places in the world determined by drilling cores.

How does Genesi 1 or anything in the Pentateuch including the flood win anything outside of a documented history 150,000 years except the circular interpretation of the text?

No evidence of a Noah flood.

You’re off by billions and we live in a world right now in the present that is described in Genesis 1.
The global flood evidence is on top of the mountains too:

Living Evidence: Microbial Biogeography & Noah’s Flood

The biblical account of Noah’s Flood provides an update to modern microbial biogeography and modern creation apologetics.

answersresearchjournal.org

Are you positive on 150k or billions?
I’m positive about the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation.

shunyadragon · Mar 4, 2024

ElishaElijah said:
@shunyadragon
Which is is that you’re positive of 150k years old or billions of years old? You’re off by 999,850.000
@1 billion but you were sure it’s more than that, right?

The evidence of 150,000 years of incremental annual deposits is enough to trash the validity of the Pentateuch history.

The earth billions of years old is a separate issue, which you deny up front that ancient rocks v=can be dated by radiometric methods and confirmed by other methods.

ElishaElijah · Mar 4, 2024

shunyadragon said:
The evidence of 150,000 years of incremental annual deposits is enough to trash the validity of the Pentateuch history.

It’s science so it’s like play time, theory, ever changing, interpretation and proves nothing.
You’re not even sure, yet you base your eternal destiny on it.

shunyadragon · Mar 4, 2024

ElishaElijah said:
You’re off by billions and we live in a world right now in the present that is described in Genesis 1.
The global flood evidence is on top of the mountains too:

Living Evidence: Microbial Biogeography & Noah’s Flood

The biblical account of Noah’s Flood provides an update to modern microbial biogeography and modern creation apologetics.

answersresearchjournal.org

This reference fails first because it is egregiously dishonest from a biased Creationist source, and I shoot it down with one documented 150,000 year record of physical evidence that het there was no flood.

ElishaElijah · Mar 4, 2024

shunyadragon said:
This reference fails first because it is egregiously dishonest from a biased Creationist source, and I shoot it down with one documented 150,000 year record of physical evidence that het there was no flood.

You may not like it but I do because Jesus Christ also says this and knew that there was a global flood but won’t be again, it will be fire this time.

”For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭38‬-‭44‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So according to Matthew 24 I will be ready when Jesus Christ returns, because I’m going to do what He says.

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A long-running research relationship between Takeshi Nakagawa (Ritsumeikan University, Japan) and researchers in the Oxford University School of Archaeology has led to the ongoing study of sediment from a very special lake in Japan.

A long-running research relationship between Takeshi Nakagawa (Ritsumeikan University, Japan) and researchers in the Oxford University School of Archaeology has led to the ongoing study of sediment from a very special lake in Japan.