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Reincarnation and Christian Prophecy
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I think Christ explained quite clearly about the concept to Nicodemus that by rebirth is meant spiritual rebirth.
to be born again of spirit and water is literally to be recreated again. that is exactly how the heavens and earth were created in genesis 1:2. otherwise the water wouldn't be necessary
that is what reincarnation is. the flesh counts for nothing; so then the spirit incarnates into a form from the formless.
the spirit is eternal. there is no life or death for it. there is life and death only for the form, the person.
otherwise john baptist couldn't come in the spirit of elias(elijah). so then if johnny boy is elijah, jesus is elisha.
if jesus wasn't melchizedek, then abraham wouldn't have known him. and abraham was glad to see his day.
go ahead, let it burn
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Because the two are incongruent
no they aren't. there is no need to create something from nothing when you're something
i will be what i will be
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Jesus in me
I believe he could not come in his old body. That is not re-incarnation; that is transmigration, something I don't believe Elijah can do.
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Jesus in me
I believe you do not know what is meant by that.
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Jesus in me
I believe you will be hard put to even explain that let alone prove it.
transmigration = reincarnation
Synonyms of transmigration | Thesaurus.com
Synonyms of reincarnation | Thesaurus.com
a word missing from these synonyms should be palingenesis
its interesting that deniers of reincarnation believe that their god only creates once. but that can't be literally. because god is always being, always creating.Wasn't it "snub"?
so the word regeneration is used literally twice in the bible. also, jesus told nicodemus that he would have to be born again as spirit and water. spirit and water is literally how god created everything in the 7 days of creation per genesis. that is spirit incarnating as a form from the formless waters or the abyss/void by the word to be
creating a new heaven and a new earth is reincarnation. that isn't a leap of faith. just how it works.
so those who don't believe in it are doomed to repeat it because they won't learn from their pasts.
the past/future is eternal. the dead have to awake before the 2nd death. those who won't wake up are forced back into the lake of fire, back into the illusion of change/difference
you're not awake
there is a difference between the definition of "reincarnation" as presented by the Hindus and being "born-again".
So, which definition are you giving it? (Lest you are presenting what is in our view
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
within the context of my signature.
My understanding is this.
In the Gospel it is stated that John the Baptist is Elijah.
But that does not mean the return of the rational soul and personality of
Elijah in the body of John, but instead the same qualities and attributes of
Elijah became manifest in John. They were both separate individuals.
When John denied being Elijah he meant that he was not the person Elijah and when Christ said he was Elijah, He meant the same spiritual qualities and mission existed in John not the same actual person.
the word reincarnation is a new construct. it's early 18th century
reincarnation | Etymology, origin and meaning of reincarnation by etymonline
you're ignoring the fact that palingenesis was widely known in 1st century middle east. even more so in the asia minor area.
the word regeneration; which translates to palingenesis can be ignored but that doesn't change the fact that its still the same idea being conveyed by a culturally different word.
so the spirit of a previous personality is exactly what is being conveyed in the idea of elijah and john having the same spirit. the personality is temporal the spirit is eternal.
hindus didn't create the word reincarrnation. that was coined by europeans.
what you described is EXACTLY what reincarnation is. the personality doesn't survive. the consciousness/spirit isn't tied to an exact form. this is why john manifested certain characteristics that elijah had. the girdle wearing, wondering in the desert, and other mannerism.
when the soul/person dies, they are like the angels, the spirits in heaven. they aren't tied to a form. they weren't an earthly form coming into the earthly plane and form, and they aren't having disappeared from the form and earthly plane.
jacob's ladder and the angels/spirits ascending and descending upon the son of man are symbols of spirits incarnating/disincarnating from the soul/human.
the sooner a spirit makes a disconnection from the illusion of form, the sooner it awakens to the eternal and formless.
the spirit is having an earthly experience; when in the earthly plane. the spirit no longer has that immediate experience; when absent from that form or plane. so it goes from being called this/that in the human existence to being like the spirit it was before the incarnation.
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Reincarnation arose in northern India between the years 1000 and 600 BC,
History Of Reincarnation: The Ancient And Original Beliefs Revealed
haggling over the history of who came up with the idea of a spirit taking human form again isn't going to change the concept/idea being stated in the NT about john the baptist coming in the spirit of elijah. the vedas and the egyptian book of the dead are considered older writtings tthan the OT in general.
it also isn't going to change the fact that jesus literally said that abraham knew him. so the idea would have been known to the egyptians during abraham's time. we know from the story that abram came from the east because that is where he sent his servant to find a bride for his son..we also know that 3 wisemen came from the east. because there was an influence of the east in the matter that was taking place.
so the idea wouldn't have been foreign in the middle east. in fact, there is a famous road that went to and fro between the middle east and the far east. it's called the silk/spice road. thus abraham who came from the east country east would have been aware of this idea.
the word reincarnation wouldn't have been used during the timeline of jesus. palingenesis was the word used by the greeks; which is the language that the NT is written.
they used a specific word in the original text, palingenesis. again no one has to like the word palingenesis but it literally implies the spirit of one being incarnated again.
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I'm sorry for correcting your information.
Regardless, born-again is not "reincarnation".
And john the baptist coming in the spirit of elijah is not reincarnation on two accounts. 1) it violates other scriptures and "in the spirit" does not mean "reincarnation".
BUT
If you want to believe that, I have no issues with you believing it.
"your" beliefs don't align with the word being used in matthew 19:28. the son of man is not to a specific person. it's to humanity in general. and it violates your belief it doesn't violate scripture. jesus doesn't deny reincarnation in reference to the blind young man john 9. reincarnation doesn't violate that john the baptist and elijah were of the same spirit.
you're choosing to ignore the explicit word jesus used, regeneration.
you can attempt to correct but there are two births and two deaths. the bible teaches the birth of the spirit and the physical birth. being born from above and below. the birth of the physical is the death of the spirit. the birth of the spirit is death to the form. but the spirit is eternal no matter how many forms it takes
you can be born from below more than once.
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