Clizby Wampuscat
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Ok thanks, why the hostility?
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Is god evil
- Thread starter We Never Know
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We Never Know
No Slack
Ahm, nowhere ─ nowhere at all ─ in the Garden story does it say Adam and Eve were going to live forever. Nowhere ─ nowhere at all ─ does it say they sinned ─ or that mankind fell ─ or that death entered the world as a result. Instead it very clearly gives THE reason why God pitched them out of the Garden ─ Genesis 3:22-23 ─ to stop them from eating the fruit of the Tree of Life and becoming like God ─ which tells you that they were otherwise always going to die at some stage. God has a very similar motivation for kicking the Tower of Babel over too, you'll recall.
Have you ever wondered what could possibly be bad about knowing good from evil, by the way?
ppp
Well-Known Member
You cannot have it both ways. I cannot both understand what you said, and not understand what you said. I think you know better, but that you don't know better, simultaneously.
ppp
Well-Known Member
Let me make it easy on you. With you as an analog to the god described in the OT and me as Eve (likewise), you are indeed evil.
ppp
Well-Known Member
Not an either/or question. If a god does exist we are analogous to conspirators in a criminal enterprise.
Take a passage from ONE religious book. Make the assumption that a literal meaning is the only way to interpret that passage. Bring up a topic that has been debated God knows how many times.
Have YOU stopped beating your wife?
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
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Eating from the tree gave knowledge of good and evil. Knowing evil would be dreadful. You can't know evil without experiencing it.
InChrist
Free4ever
Who says the one forbidden fruit was so tempting and delicious? Not the account in the scriptures. According to the scriptures, there was a paradise of abundant wonderful fruit to choose from. Deliberately eating the only one that was forbidden was pure disobedience and disrespect for God and ungratefulness for all He had provided.
InChrist
Free4ever
The account does not say it was an apple. Sin separates one from God. Death or spiritual separation from God is the understandable consequence.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I see this question asked many times on RF, and I don't understand that people ask that question. Such an "unreasonable" question IMO. This is how I reason this question
2 options:
a) God exists not
b) God exists
IF 2)a then you simply got your answer
IF 2)b then a little more reasoning needed
We know that people nowadays lie a lot AND also brag a lot AND many suffer from forgetfulness AND lots of fake news AND common sense seems to be lacking
Do you really think that how God is pictured in the Scriptures is anywhere near accurate; meaning +/- 2000 years ago they did not lie, brag, forget and had no fake news?
So, that tells me all I need to know to know the answer to your question, right?
@stvdvRF
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Nonsense. I know the holocaust was evil and I never experienced it.
also, why would knowing evil warrant death?
InChrist
Free4ever
Whose plan? Not the biblical God. Although, God knew humans would sin, disobedience was not a part of His plan.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
But you can't know the holocaust without experiencing it. All you can know about it now is facts about the holocaust. We're not talking about the ability to know the difference between good and evil. We're talking about biblical "knowing". It's intimate.
The punishment was excessive so that God could be lenient later. That's the what the whole story is about. God wanted to setup a world where created beings ( who are finite and imperfect ) could make mistakes, repent, and receive mercy. It's a good system.
If you don't know what's good from what's bad, what would it matter if pain hurts, if hurt indicated nothing to you? You might just pull your eyes out to see what happens, no? You might kill or torture things for fun, why not?
ppp
Well-Known Member
C'mon. Even a human child would know that telling them not to eat the big red fruit would result in them eating the big red fruit. If it wasn't part of his plan then he is no god. Or maybe he is just a Greek god.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
You asked "what could possibly be bad...". I gave you an example. Knowledge of evil is conveyed by experiencing evil. ( Not to be confused with knowing about evil ).
I didn't say there wasn't a benefit from eating from the tree, btw.
Truth in love
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Well Peter seemed to think so
1 Peter 1:
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
If there was no fall why would we need to be saved?
Brian2
Veteran Member
Was that a punishment or just the result of eating it. Sort of like eating a poison fruit results in death.
Brian2
Veteran Member
Because we are moral beings and needed something to exercise our moral choice with before the next stage, whatever that was to be. (that could be an answer)