Who Believe the Earth is 6000 Years Old???

I said as long as it's translated correctly DreGod.

The King James has errors and missing pages.

Selections from Joseph Smith's corrections to the King James

Joseph Smith's corrections concerning Matthew 24

Selections from the Book of Moses (Genesis 1-13 restored)

I believe that there is about 6000 years since the creation recorded in the Bible. But between Gen 1:1 - 'In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.' and verse 2 - 'And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep...'. there could be any amount of time. The word 'was' in v2 ('...the earth was without form and void...') could also be translated as 'had become' so the earth could have existed for millions of years before the record of creation in Genesis but I believe that the actual creation of everything in Gen 1:3-31 happened 6000 years ago.

s2a said:

I'll make you a deal.

I'll watch the entirety of the lecture series you recommended if you'll just answer these two very simple questions, OK?

1) What is your "God [or "Creation"] theory", and can it be [empirically] falsified? If so, what would serve as, or constitute acceptable disproof to your theory?

2) What predictions does your "God theory" posit, and by what means or measures can we experiment in testing that theory, in order to unveil something utterly new, and previously undiscovered (but predicted to exist beforehand)?

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I think I would like to start a thread based on these two questions...

Possibly entitled" "Creation Evidences"

I'm not going to hang out in this thread any longers, especially because of it's title....

The earth is not 6,000 years old, but 13,000 years old...

I'm out of this thread...

FFH said:

I think I would like to start a thread based on these two questions...

Possibly entitled" "Creation Evidences"

I'm not going to hang out in this thread any longers, especially because of it's title....

The earth is not 6,000 years old, but 13,000 years old...

I'm out of this thread...

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Evasion.

You need not,nor did the pointed questions I put of you require/impose, any newly crafted thread of differing topic. Neither of the primary inquiries I presented challenged you to qualify or defend any differentiated claims between a 6,000 year old vs. a 13,000 year old Earth. NONE.

I submit, most earnestly and sincerely, that you either can not or will not provide answer...and you choose to avoid the specified inquiries put directly to you for reply.

[Note: From a perspective of scientific understanding, the religious "creation" claims of any asserted distinctions between a 6000 yo Earth, and a 13,000 yo Earth, are infinitesimally insignificant, and moot.

The scientifically assessed age of the Earth is (appx.) 4.55 BILLION years old (give or take about 1%--ie, "at or about" 4.6 MILLION years). The statistical differences between a claimed "6000 yo Earth" time span (0.000132%), and a "13,000 yo Earth time span (0.000286%), within that previously noted and scientifically established fact (~4.5 BILLION years); are so small and impotent in relative empirical argument as to be rendered otherwise irrelevant and unsubstantial. Amidist "Young Earth" vs. "Old Earth" biblical creationists, your special pleadings in argument may gain some compelling traction in dispensations of faith-based claims...but in the real world of requisite evidence and demonstrable fact, insistences of an existent Earth that is but a few millennia old...is not supported by either the available evidence, or the means by which to measure/test that evidence. It's like asking "science", in the face of all available evidences and discoveries, to reject all objective findings, and instead effort to "prove" that the Earth is indeed flat, with the entirety of the cosmos revolving about it's manifestly planar form.

You have made a choice. You have chosen to evade very simple questions put to you; of which, if/when similar burdens (within like context) are placed upon science to reveal, are most readily and easily produced for examination/test. Wherein shall we search for the flaws in either methodologies in discerning compelling facts, or estimable assertions of burdened proofs?

"He that fights and runs away, May turn and fight another day; But he that is in battle slain, Will never rise to fight again."
-- Cornelius Tacitus

Run away as you please, but I will not bother to pursue a chicken in panicked retreat.

Read Gen. One carefully plants and trees are created on the 3rd day but the Sun isn't created until the 4th day. How can you have plants without the sun? Gen one is a spiritual blue print and only in Gen. 2 is there the physical creation which there may be Millions even billions of years between Gen 2:5 and the formation of the garden of eden. Time is something created by God and only applys to the physical. The scribe who was writing all this information was't trying to explain every detail because there wouldn't be enough computers in the world to hold all the information. He was just paraphasing and getting to the fact that God created it all that means everything, and is still the one behind it all and that means everything.

XAAX said:

I have heard this a few times in the past and it has peaked my interest. Who believes that the earth is only 6000 years old? More so than that, Why?

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Fundies(Fundamentalist Christian sects) mostly believe that because they cannot handle the idea that numbers in the bible, in particularly the old testmant could have symbolic value and not be literal. But thats just my two cents. We Catholics do not believe like the fundies do.

I believe that the earth is older than 6000 years, quite possibly having been here for millions of years before Jehovah decided to populate it with humans and other species.

Ernestine said:

I believe that the earth is older than 6000 years, quite possibly having been here for millions of years before Jehovah decided to populate it with humans and other species.

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Bully for you.

At least that's a promising place to begin...

;-)

It is to bad that FFH left the post. I wanted to ask him what date the Genesis deluge happened. Everyone I have talked to said they don't know. arlan

The planet's current population is 6.8 billion. Running the geometric progression backwards over 325 generations (13,000 years) gives us an average family size of around 87 children per couple. Does that sound reasonable to you?

Lux rationis said:

The planet's current population is 6.8 billion. Running the geometric progression backwards over 325 generations (13,000 years) gives us an average family size of around 87 children per couple. Does that sound reasonable to you?

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they probaly wouln'd be able to get than number even if they started giving birth as an infant ;P

Arlanbb said:

LUX ~ Your calulations is way off because the bible says that the original mankind was killed off by the Genesis deluge about 4350 years ago when there was only 8 people on the earth. arlan

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Sorry. That leaves us with an average family size of only 39 children per couple. But that includes modern times right up to today. Since we know that global average family size has been under 8 throughout the common era, we'd have to have families with more than 50 kids prior to the Hellenistic Period.

Who verified that all humans were killed by The Great Flood? With only 8 people left on a mountain top in Asia Minor -- which is much lower than the Himalayas or the Andes where native peoples would not have been affected by or even have known about the flood -- it would be rather difficult to scan the globe looking for survivors, wouldn't it?