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Question for the Jehovah's Witnesses.About meeting abraham in heaven when you die.

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Yes, I am a rabbi. If you are not already aware let me point out that @rosends is also a rabbi, although he and I identify with different movements.
So since you know Hebrew, how do you think hell is spoken of in the Torah, the Tanach, or Midrash? I know the original scrolls were not written in English. (smile) :) Therefore must be translated for non-Hebrew speaking people. So can you please clarify your beliefs about what Jehovah's Witnesses believe about hell. Thank you.
@nPeace
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Where you’re from is that considered light hearted joshing when someone makes that comment to a rabbi?

Perhaps, but you’ll need to start a new thread. Given the question as posed by the OP and given that my response was tailored very specifically for the individual who asked the question, within that context my answer stands.
People can say all sorts of things about their background on a message board, right? And so I apologize if I misunderstood. But you say your answer stands about what Jehovah's Witnesses believe?? Is that right? Could you please say what Jehovah's Witnesses believe about hell and how they interpret it?
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
@Frank Goad -

How many times do you need to be told by the members of that faith community that they do not believe that anyone goes to heaven…. or hell when they die…. that there is no existence after death until resurrection?

Please understand, I’m not making a value judgment about what you believe or what they believe. I am simply noting that you have been told this again and agsin and again.
Just noticed you said anyone.
JWs teach that a little flock of 144,000 go to heaven for the purpose of ruling with Christ, and serving alongside him, as priests. They also do judging.
No one prior to Jesus - the firstfruits - has gone to heaven.. Luke 12:32; Revelation 14:1-4; Revelation 5:10; Revelation 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:20-23
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Where you’re from is that considered light hearted joshing when someone makes that comment to a rabbi?

Perhaps, but you’ll need to start a new thread. Given the question as posed by the OP and given that my response was tailored very specifically for the individual who asked the question, within that context my answer stands.
What @YoursTrue seems to be pointing out, is that the Hebrew & Greek words, some translations render hell, are rendered differently in various translations, so that the meaning of the words make a difference as to what one believes.
In other words JWs do believe in Sheol and Hades, but the hellfire torment idea, they don't believe.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Just noticed you said anyone.
JWs teach that a little flock of 144,000 go to heaven for the purpose of ruling with Christ, and serving alongside him, as priests. They also do judging.
No one prior to Jesus - the firstfruits - has gone to heaven.. Luke 12:32; Revelation 14:1-4; Revelation 5:10; Revelation 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:20-23
Question to @RabbiO in harmony with your answer, @nPeace - since it is written in the Law that IF the Jews were to obey the Law, RabbiO, you must surely know this:
"Now if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, you will be My treasured possession out of all the nations--for the whole earth is Mine. 6And unto Me you shall be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you are to speak to the Israelites.” 7So Moses went back and summoned the elders of the people and set before them all these words that the LORD had commanded him." Please note, RabbiO, the expression kingdom of priests. So the question is really about heaven, life and death and what happens in sheol, or hell. And heaven. And the earth in the future. I hope this helps.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Question for the Jehovah's Witnesses

Why restrict one's questions to the JWs among all the 32000+ denominations of Pauline-Christianity, please?
Aren't the scriptures open to everybody to read and answer one's questions, please?

Regards
 

Eli G

Well-Known Member
Do you think when we die and go to heaven.We meet people from the bible like abraham?I think we do.Because of Ephesians 3:14-15.And Matthew 8:11.:)

Ephesians 3:14-15
King James Version

14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

Matthew 8:11
King James Version

11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

I got this from right here: BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.
Have you not read in the scriptures that Abraham never personally received what was promised to him (the promised land where he could rest and live peacefully) ?

Heb. 1:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place he was to receive as an inheritance; he went out, although not knowing where he was going. 9 By faith he lived as a foreigner in the land of the promise as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the very same promise. 10 For he was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is God. (...)
13 In faith all of these died, although they did not receive the fulfillment of the promises; but they saw them from a distance and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land. 14 For those who speak in such a way make it evident that they are earnestly seeking a place of their own. 15 And yet, if they had kept remembering the place from which they had departed, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But now they are reaching out for a better place, that is, one belonging to heaven. Therefore, God is not ashamed of them, to be called on as their God, for he has prepared a city for them. (...)
39 And yet all of these, although they received a favorable witness because of their faith, did not obtain the fulfillment of the promise, 40 because God had foreseen something better for us, so that they might not be made perfect apart from us.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Have you not read in the scriptures that Abraham never personally received what was promised to him (the promised land where he could rest and live peacefully) ?

Heb. 1:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place he was to receive as an inheritance; he went out, although not knowing where he was going. 9 By faith he lived as a foreigner in the land of the promise as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the very same promise. 10 For he was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is God. (...)
13 In faith all of these died, although they did not receive the fulfillment of the promises; but they saw them from a distance and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land. 14 For those who speak in such a way make it evident that they are earnestly seeking a place of their own. 15 And yet, if they had kept remembering the place from which they had departed, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But now they are reaching out for a better place, that is, one belonging to heaven. Therefore, God is not ashamed of them, to be called on as their God, for he has prepared a city for them. (...)
39 And yet all of these, although they received a favorable witness because of their faith, did not obtain the fulfillment of the promise, 40 because God had foreseen something better for us, so that they might not be made perfect apart from us.
" Heb. 1:8-10,13-16,39-40 " + " Ephesians 3:14-15 (#1) "

The above verses have not been colored in red in the following Red Letter Bibles:
Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible

and that means neither Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, spoke them nor authored them nor wrote them and , therefore, these are not a reliable source for guidance in ethical, moral and or spiritual matters, it transpires. Right?

Regards
 
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