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Evidence for Sim Theory?

Eddi

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
Yes, this is in religious debates: I consider Simulation Theory to be a religious position

I will argue for that being the case, if anyone wants to challenge me on that claim :p

First of all, let me just say that I do not believe in Simulation Theory

I think it is most likely to be false :thumbsdown:

I am merely interested in it, as I am in Judaism, Catholicism, and Hinduism

I want to better understand these without believing in them!

Anyway...

What evidence would convince you that Simulation Theory is true?

For me there are two ways I could be convinced: First of all, I would want a major miracle to occur, something that could only be done by either a God or a Simulator

And for that miracle to be experienced by a great many people the world over, and recorded on film

Even better for it to be somehow on-going

And I would want that miracle to affirm that Simulation Theory is true

And for there to be no doubt about this

Were this to happen I would believe that this whole reality is simulated

That's one of two ways that I would ever come to believe in it again

But this hasn't happened, therefore I don't believe in it

I am not willing to make a giant leap of faith for it

I have already done that with Jesus and I am happy as a Christian :D

The second way I could be convinced: If extra-terrestrials came to Earth and then told us that reality is a computer simulation. I would trust their judgment over our own, if they are capable of travelling from one solar system to another!
 
`mud

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
In finding beetles in cow dung, one must get one's fingers soiled,

That link was pure cow dung, and no beetles !!
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
'mud said:
In finding beetles in cow dung, one must get one's fingers soiled,

That link was pure cow dung, and no beetles !!
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You want beetles?

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Stevicus

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Eddi said:
Yes, this is in religious debates: I consider Simulation Theory to be a religious position

I will argue for that being the case, if anyone wants to challenge me on that claim :p

First of all, let me just say that I do not believe in Simulation Theory

I think it is most likely to be false :thumbsdown:

I am merely interested in it, as I am in Judaism, Catholicism, and Hinduism

I want to better understand these without believing in them!

Anyway...

What evidence would convince you that Simulation Theory is true?

For me there are two ways I could be convinced: First of all, I would want a major miracle to occur, something that could only be done by either a God or a Simulator

And for that miracle to be experienced by a great many people the world over, and recorded on film

Even better for it to be somehow on-going

And I would want that miracle to affirm that Simulation Theory is true

And for there to be no doubt about this

Were this to happen I would believe that this whole reality is simulated

That's one of two ways that I would ever come to believe in it again

But this hasn't happened, therefore I don't believe in it

I am not willing to make a giant leap of faith for it

I have already done that with Jesus and I am happy as a Christian :D

The second way I could be convinced: If extra-terrestrials came to Earth and then told us that reality is a computer simulation. I would trust their judgment over our own, if they are capable of travelling from one solar system to another!
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I suppose the only real evidence would be for someone to show us what the outside of the "simulation" actually looks like and be able to take us there.

I don't believe that our current technology would allow for the creation of a computer simulation like in The Matrix. If there is a simulation here, then whoever or whatever created it would probably make our computers today look like abacuses.
 
Sirona

Sirona

Hindu Wannabe
Eddi said:
First of all, let me just say that I do not believe in Simulation Theory

I think it is most likely to be false :thumbsdown:

I am merely interested in it, as I am in Judaism, Catholicism, and Hinduism

I want to better understand these without believing in them!
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I must admit I was curious about how long you would last as an average, run of the mill Christian. Seems like you may be ping-ponging back to simulation theory now, or that you may have found a way to combine the two. By the way, if you are really interested in Hinduism, "without believing in it", in Hinduism, intellectually sorting out philosophical questions already is a form of worship. It's called Jnana-yoga or "the way of knowledge".
 
`mud

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
@Sirona
As to: " "the way of knowledge"., would that be "cognition learned", "awareness of reality", "life" ?
 
Eddi

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
Sirona said:
I must admit I was curious about how long you would last as an average, run of the mill Christian. Seems like you may be ping-ponging back to simulation theory now, or that you may have found a way to combine the two.
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No, I outright reject Simulation Theory

But I made a post about how we can say that reality is like a simulation, even though it isn't: https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/gods-creation-is-like-a-simulation.250930/

Sirona said:
By the way, if you are really interested in Hinduism, "without believing in it", in Hinduism, intellectually sorting out philosophical questions already is a form of worship. It's called Jnana-yoga or "the way of knowledge".
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I will have a look at that, thanks for sharing
 
`mud

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
Are we forgetting `free will` ? Or did I miss something ?

We're not sure of the cause, are we ?

Just blabbing
 
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night912

Well-Known Member
Eddi said:
For me there are two ways I could be convinced: First of all, I would want a major miracle to occur, something that could only be done by either a God or a Simulator
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How would you know that it was something that only a god or a simulator can do?

Eddi said:
The second way I could be convinced: If extra-terrestrials came to Earth and then told us that reality is a computer simulation. I would trust their judgment over our own, if they are capable of travelling from one solar system to another!
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How would you know that those aliens are not part of the simulation? In the Matrix, there are humans who are outside of the matrix but are able to enter the simulation. There are also programs that are part of the simulation, agents, would be an example. How would you tell the difference between a human and a program if you don't know that you are in a simulation in the first place?
 
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night912

Well-Known Member
Stevicus said:
I suppose the only real evidence would be for someone to show us what the outside of the "simulation" actually looks like and be able to take us there.

I don't believe that our current technology would allow for the creation of a computer simulation like in The Matrix. If there is a simulation here, then whoever or whatever created it would probably make our computers today look like abacuses.
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One thing to keep in mind, just like in the Matrix, the "real" world has high tech way beyond that of what is presented inside the matrix. It's only logical to accept that if we are in a simulation, then whatever the technology that the simulation is running on, is beyond the level that we currently have.
 
Kooky

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Eddi said:
Because Sim Theory being true would explain my mental illness, that's why I'm interested in it

Although I don't any more believe it
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I hope this isn't offensive to suggest, but youldn't neurology already explain your mental illness? Presumably somebody diagnosed you with it based on a particular understanding of your neurochemistry and psychological profile.
 
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