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Twenty arguments on god's existence

U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I was putting together my essay on different definitions of god, god-concepts, and such and came across these other arguments that ideally would explain god's existence. The problem is it has deductive reasoning, must-be arguments, and drawing conclusions from the author's biases. However so, I thought the list was interesting nonetheless.

https://enduringword.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/20-Arguments-for-the-Existence-of-God.pdf

Twenty arguments for the existence of god (excerpts)

1. The Argument from Change [An Aspect of the Cosmological Argument]
The universe is filled with changing things; as far as we know, the entire universe
is changing.

2. The Argument from Efficient Causality
There must be something uncaused, something on which all things that need an
efficient cause of being are dependent. This being we call “God.”

3. The Argument from Time and Contingency
The universe is filled with things that do not need to exist; their existence is not
necessary. There must be something in the universe which must exist; some absolute
necessary being. This necessary being we call “God.”

4. The Argument from Degrees of Perfection
The existence of degrees of perfection means that there is a perfect ideal. The concept of a perfect ideal applies not only to material things and properties,
but also to being.

5. The Argument from Design [Teleological Argument]
The universe displays a staggering amount of design. This design is the result of either chance or intelligence.
Chance is a completely inadequate explanation for design; therefore it must be designed by a Supreme Intelligence. This Supreme Intelligence we call “God.”

6. The Kalam Argument; the Argument from Eternity
If the universe always was, then it is infinitely old. If it is infinitely old, then an infinite amount of time must have elapsed before the present time.The idea of an infinite amount of time having a completion is irrational; therefore the universe is not infinitely old, had a beginning, and the “Beginner” we call “God.”

7. The Argument from Contingency [An Aspect of the Cosmological Argument]
The universe exists; therefore there must exist something upon which the
universe depends. That which the universe depends upon cannot be within the universe, or be
bounded by space and time. That being that transcends space and time, upon which the universe depends, is
the being we call “God.”

8. The Argument from the World as an Interacting Whole
The universe is a dynamic, ordered system of many active, interacting parts. The system as a whole cannot explain its own existence; it needs a planner and a cause outside the system.

9. The Argument of Miracles
• A miracle is an event whose only adequate explanation is the extraordinary and
direct intervention of God.

10. The Argument from Consciousness
We experience the universe as something can be understood, at least in part. Therefore, the universe is graspable by intelligence. This universe that can be understood and the intelligence by which we
understand it are either the products of a transcendent intelligence, or the product of chance. The best explanation is a transcendent intelligence. This transcendent intelligence we call “God.”
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MatthewA

MatthewA

Active Member
Hello UA, That took a lot of time and effort to put together. Thank you for sharing, it will be useful to others.
 
F

F1fan

Veteran Member
Mestemia said:
MODAL ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT
(1) God exists.
(2) God, existing, is either necessary or unnecessary.
(3) God is not unnecessary, therefore God must be necessary.
(4) Therefore, God exists.​


ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) I define God to be X.
(2) Since I can conceive of X, X must exist.
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (II)
(1) God exists.
(2) Since God exists, God must be perfect.
(3) That which is perfect must exist.
(4) Therefore, God exists.​
MORAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) Person X, a well-known atheist, was morally inferior to the rest
of us.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
MORAL ARGUMENT (II)
(1) In my younger days I was a cursing, drinking, smoking, gambling,
child-molesting, thieving, murdering, bed-wetting b*st*rd.
(2) That all changed once I became religious.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
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And that is only the beginning...
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Oh my God these are terrible.
 
McBell

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Mestemia said:
I got a rather long list of them I have gathered from the internet...

ARGUMENT FROM INCOMPREHENSIBILITY
(1) Flabble glurk zoom boink blubba snurgleschnortz ping!
(2) No one has ever refuted (1).
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM AMERICAN EVANGELISM
(1) Telling people that God exists makes me filthy rich.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
CHRISTIAN ARGUMENT
(1) The Christian God exists.
(2) Therefore, all worldviews which don't assume the Christian God's existence are false and incomprehensible.
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS
(1) Atheists are spiritually blind.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
ANOTHER ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS
(1) God is love.
(2) Love is blind.
(3) Ray Charles is blind.
(4) Therefore, Ray Charles is God.
(5) Therefore, God exists.​
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Thinking about it, I am pretty sure I have posted this whole list here on RF before.
I just have not had any luck finding it.
 
Willamena

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Unveiled Artist said:
I was putting together my essay on different definitions of god, god-concepts, and such and came across these other arguments that ideally would explain god's existence. The problem is it has deductive reasoning, must-be arguments, and drawing conclusions from the author's biases. However so, I thought the list was interesting nonetheless.

https://enduringword.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/20-Arguments-for-the-Existence-of-God.pdf

Twenty arguments for the existence of god (excerpts)



Enjoy
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Deductive reasoning is actually a good thing, when employed properly. It's not supposed to be a problem.

Arguments 1 and 2 have exactly the same argument, which is unsound because it provides no supporting argument for its premise #2. There may be such arguments, but they are not presented, and frankly, not obvious. Argument 14 also has an unsupported premise #2.

Argument 3 fails to provide any relation between its two premises.

Argument 4 fails to support that a degree of perfection applies to all things. Or, indeed, any particular thing.

Argument 5 has just too much wrong to deal with it in one post.

Argument 6 is not explained.

Argument 7 fails to explain the necessity of dependency in regards to existence. Good luck with that.

Argument 8 requires a reason for existence. Good luck with that.

Argument 9 requires no debate.

Argument 10 confines "the universe" to being something comprehensible, and then proceeds to suggest that chance is somehow something inferior. Inferior of the universe. Inferior of comprehension. Without explanation.

Argument 11 entirely fails to argue from a position of truth.

Argument 12 depends on supporting arguments not presented, and on a questionable idea of what God is.

Argument 13 depends on a concept of "greater" that is unquestionably materialistic. It also relies on a concept of "mind," that is questionable. The divide between mind and body is quite distinct in the argument.

Argument 15 is baffling. Needs more explanation.

Argument 16 is appealing, though the desire referred to would have to be explained, and the necessity for the desire would have to be explained.

I like #17. Bravo.

Argument 18 just needs to be pointed to David Hume's black swans.

Argument 19 is a take on "belief." Belief points to something being true, but in fact that word has been abused, maligned, and denigrated (mostly by its users) to the point of being useless. It's lost its implausibility. The fact that someone believes something is an indicator that it is true, but so few genuinely "believe."

Argument 20 is frivolous. It doesn't reflect the wisdom of Pascal's actual argument, which is well thought out and has nothing to do with an incidental existence of God.
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
Unveiled Artist said:
I was putting together my essay on different definitions of god, god-concepts, and such and came across these other arguments that ideally would explain god's existence. The problem is it has deductive reasoning, must-be arguments, and drawing conclusions from the author's biases. However so, I thought the list was interesting nonetheless.

https://enduringword.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/20-Arguments-for-the-Existence-of-God.pdf

Twenty arguments for the existence of god (excerpts)



Enjoy
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21. My undefeated proof of God:

P1: Clapton is God.
P2: Clapton exists. *
C: God exists.

* Evidence for P2:
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Mestemia said:
I got a rather long list of them I have gathered from the internet...

ARGUMENT FROM INCOMPREHENSIBILITY
(1) Flabble glurk zoom boink blubba snurgleschnortz ping!
(2) No one has ever refuted (1).
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM AMERICAN EVANGELISM
(1) Telling people that God exists makes me filthy rich.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
CHRISTIAN ARGUMENT
(1) The Christian God exists.
(2) Therefore, all worldviews which don't assume the Christian God's existence are false and incomprehensible.
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS
(1) Atheists are spiritually blind.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
ANOTHER ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS
(1) God is love.
(2) Love is blind.
(3) Ray Charles is blind.
(4) Therefore, Ray Charles is God.
(5) Therefore, God exists.​
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I laughed at these...do more, do more...*claps excitedly*
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Willamena said:
I like #17. Bravo.
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Hmm...I just did a quick review of 17, and I have a question.

If the perfection of a Larry Bird pass proves there is a God, why is it that the perfection of a Magic Johnson pass only proves that there is clearly a devil, and Magic sold his dirty Laker soul for basketball talent?
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Mestemia said:
I got a rather long list of them I have gathered from the internet...

ARGUMENT FROM INCOMPREHENSIBILITY
(1) Flabble glurk zoom boink blubba snurgleschnortz ping!
(2) No one has ever refuted (1).
(3) Therefore, God exists.​


ARGUMENT FROM AMERICAN EVANGELISM
(1) Telling people that God exists makes me filthy rich.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​


CHRISTIAN ARGUMENT
(1) The Christian God exists.
(2) Therefore, all worldviews which don't assume the Christian God's existence are false and incomprehensible.
(3) Therefore, God exists.​


ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS
(1) Atheists are spiritually blind.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​


ANOTHER ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS
(1) God is love.
(2) Love is blind.
(3) Ray Charles is blind.
(4) Therefore, Ray Charles is God.
(5) Therefore, God exists.​
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I like the last one. You'll be surprised.
 
Hockeycowboy

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Heyo said:
21. My undefeated proof of God:

P1: Clapton is God.
P2: Clapton exists. *
C: God exists.

* Evidence for P2:
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For right now...but Clapton’s gettin’ old
What happens when he dies?

Then we’ll say, “God is dead”?
 
blü 2

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Unveiled Artist said:
I was putting together my essay on different definitions of god, god-concepts, and such and came across these other arguments that ideally would explain god's existence. The problem is it has deductive reasoning, must-be arguments, and drawing conclusions from the author's biases. However so, I thought the list was interesting nonetheless.

https://enduringword.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/20-Arguments-for-the-Existence-of-God.pdf

Twenty arguments for the existence of god (excerpts)
Enjoy
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None of the arguments defines "God".

And none of the arguments compels the conclusion "Therefore God [as defined] exists in reality."
 
McBell

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT
(1) God exists.
(2) If God exists, then if reason exists then God exists.
(3) Reason exists.
(4) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM CREATION
(1) If evolution is false, then creationism is true, and therefore God
exists.
(2) Evolution can't be true, since I lack the mental capacity to
understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be
uncomfortable
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM FEAR
(1) If there is no God then we're all going to die.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE
(1) [arbitrary passage from OT]
(2) [arbitrary passage from NT]
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM INTELLIGENCE
(1) Look, there's really no point in me trying to explain the whole
thing to you stupid atheists -- it's too complicated for you to
understand. God exists whether you like it or not.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM UNINTELLIGENCE
(1) Okay, I don't pretend to be as intelligent as you guys -- you're
obviously very well read. But I read the Bible, and nothing you say
can convince me that God does not exist. I feel him in my heart, and
you can feel him too, if you'll just ask him into your life. "For God
so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son into the world,
that whosoever believes in him shall not perish from the earth" John
3:16.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM BELIEF
(1) If God exists, then I should believe in Him.
(2) I believe in God.
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM INTIMIDATION
(1) See this bonfire?
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
PARENTAL ARGUMENT
(1) My mommy and daddy told me that God exists.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM NUMBERS
(1) Millions and millions of people believe in God.
(2) They can't all be wrong, can they?
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM ABSURDITY
(1) Maranathra!
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM ECONOMY
(1) God exists, you b*st*rds!
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
BOATWRIGHT'S ARGUMENT
(1) Ha ha ha.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
DORE'S ARGUMENT
(1) I forgot to take my meds.
(2) Therefore, I AM CHRIST!!
(3) Therefore, God exists.

Proof Spoof: 100 logical arguments and evidences that prove the existence of God​
 
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McBell

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
ARGUMENT FROM INTERNET AUTHORITY
(1) There is a website that successfully argues for the existence of God.
(2) Here is the URL.
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM FALLIBILITY
(1) Human reasoning is inherently flawed.
(2) Therefore, there is no reasonable way to challenge a proposition.
(3) I propose that God exists.
(4) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM SMUGNESS
(1) God exists.
(2) I don't give a crap whether you believe it or not; I have better things to do than to try to convince you morons.
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM META-SMUGNESS
(1) @#%$ you.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM MANIFESTATIONS
(1) If you turn your head sideways and squint a little, you can see an image of a bearded face in that tortilla.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
SLATHER'S ARGUMENT
(1) My toaster is God.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM INCOMPLETE DEVASTATION
(1) A plane crashed killing 143 passengers and crew.
(2) But one child survived with only third-degree burns.
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM POSSIBLE WORLDS
(1) If things had been different, then things would be different.
(2) That would be bad.
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM SHEER WILL
(1) I DO believe in God! I DO believe in God! I do I do I do I DO believe in God!
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM NONBELIEF
(1) The majority of the world's population are nonbelievers in Christianity.
(2) This is just what Satan intended.
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM POST-DEATH EXPERIENCE
(1) Person X died an atheist.
(2) He now realizes his mistake.
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL
(1) God loves you.
(2) How could you be so heartless to not believe in him?
(3) Therefore, God exists.

Proof Spoof: 100 logical arguments and evidences that prove the existence of God​
 
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McBell

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
ARGUMENT FROM INCOHERENT BABBLE
(1) See that person spazzing on the church floor babbling incoherently?
(2) That's how infinite wisdom reveals itself.
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
OPRAH'S ARGUMENT (I)
(1) The human spirit exists.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
OPRAH'S ARGUMENT (II)
(1) Check out this video segment.
(2) Now how can anyone watch that and NOT believe in God?
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
CALVINISTIC ARGUMENT
(1) If God exists, then he will let me watch you be tortured forever.
(2) I rather like that idea.
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM CROCKERY
(1) Pots don't go around giving orders to the potter.
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM MASS PRODUCTION
(1) Barbie dolls were created.
(2) If Barbie dolls were created, then so were trees.
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM PAROCHIALISM
(1) God is everywhere.
(2) We haven't been everywhere to prove he's not there.
(3) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM UPPERCASE ASSERTION
(1) GOD EXISTS! GET USED TO IT!
(2) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM INFINITE REGRESS
(1) Ask atheists what caused the Big Bang.
(2) Regardless of their answer, ask how they know this.
(3) Continue process until the atheist admits he doesn't know the answer to one of your questions.
(4) You win!
(5) Therefore, God exists.​
ARGUMENT FROM INCREDULITY
(1) How could God NOT exist, you bozo?
(2) Therefore, God exists.

Proof Spoof: 100 logical arguments and evidences that prove the existence of God​
 
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U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
blü 2 said:
None of the arguments defines "God".

And none of the arguments compels the conclusion "Therefore God [as defined] exists in reality."
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Shrugs. A few common arguments makes sense but if they actually prove what they claim that's a different story. There's a lot of layman resources that attempt to disprove some of these arguments. They both tend to go off their own bias unfortunately.
 
Erebus

Erebus

Well-Known Member
Unveiled Artist said:
2. The Argument from Efficient Causality
There must be something uncaused, something on which all things that need an
efficient cause of being are dependent. This being we call “God.”

3. The Argument from Time and Contingency
The universe is filled with things that do not need to exist; their existence is not
necessary. There must be something in the universe which must exist; some absolute
necessary being. This necessary being we call “God.”

7. The Argument from Contingency [An Aspect of the Cosmological Argument]
The universe exists; therefore there must exist something upon which the
universe depends. That which the universe depends upon cannot be within the universe, or be
bounded by space and time. That being that transcends space and time, upon which the universe depends, is
the being we call “God.”
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I've seen variations on these arguments a few times. Essentially, they name the origin of the universe God which I honestly don't have a problem with. You can use this line of reasoning to deify the Big Bang which I don't see as all that different to naturalistic pantheism.

What is a problem though is that the people using these arguments rarely leave it at that. Once you start ascribing personality and agency to that view of God, these arguments no longer make sense. At that point, God is quite a bit more than just your name for the origin of the universe.
 
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