A bit of a health scare

Trailblazer · Mar 21, 2021

We Never Know said:
You are correct, I didn't ask why. So now that you brought it up, if it isn't the virus, why do you stay isolated? What's your fear?

I have no fear, I just have no interest in anything that is out there in the world.
Did you forget that we are supposed to stay socially distant? That is true in my state even if not in yours.
All Baha'i meetings are now on Zoom and have been for over a year.

Subduction Zone · Mar 21, 2021

Trailblazer said:
Does anyone really know what the risks of the vaccines are? They do not know yet because it is too soon to know.
What are my odds if catching the virus?
I worked in an office my entire life, never had a flu shot, and never got the flu.
Yes, I need to look into these things because eventually I might have to make a decision, but I am not going to believe everything I hear in CNN or MSNBC.

They have pretty good idea. The population of people that have had them is large enough so that they can reasonable compare it to populations of people that have not had the vaccine. You are not being a guinea pig by receiving a vaccine at this point.

Subduction Zone · Mar 21, 2021

Trailblazer said:
I have no fear, I just have no interest in anything that is out there in the world.
Did you forget that we are supposed to stay socially distant? That is true in my state even if not in yours.
All Baha'i meetings are now on Zoom and have been for over a year.

That is one positive for the Baha'i. I think that in the U.S. it is some of the more money grubbing Christian sects, Christian sects where the pastors tend to rake in too much money from their flocks that have opposed solutions such as Zoom meetings.

We Never Know · Mar 21, 2021

Trailblazer said:
I have no fear, I just have no interest in anything that is out there in the world.
Did you forget that we are supposed to stay socially distant? That is true in my state even if not in yours.
All Baha'i meetings are now on Zoom and have been for over a year.

So now being a hermit is happpiness? Dealing with life by the internet is happiness? If it works for you that's great. It doesn't work in my world.

Trailblazer · Mar 21, 2021

Subduction Zone said:
I disagree. The people rushing to take the virus are doing the right thing.

One thing to realize is that with any large population there are going to be coincidences. Bad events that happen that are closely timed to receiving the vaccine, but had nothing to do with it are guaranteed to happen.

That is why proper studies do not look at just the percentage of specific events happening. They also have to measure the percentage of those events happening in the population that did not get the vaccine.

For example if .01% of vaccine recipients have a stroke within a specific time period after receiving the vaccine one must need to compare that to the percent of people of the same age distribution that had a stroke in the same time period. If both populations have a percentage of roughly .01% then one can be fairly sure that the vaccine was not the cause.

What is going to happen is that you are likely to hear all sorts of negative events that occur after the vaccine. But people will ignore the same events that happened in the unvaccinated population. That is why proper studies must be done so that people do not react irrationally.

They are doing what they do mainly for themselves so they can feel safe and protected or so they can go hug their grandchildren or go to a family gathering I have no family and no grandchildren to hug.

There is a guarantee I won't be hurt by the vaccine if I don't take it. There is no guarantee I won't be hurt if I do take it.

Studies can be done but how can anyone really know the studies are accurate? Studies were done on many drugs that were approved by the FDA and only later were they linked with all kinds of side effects and diseases and death.

Trailblazer · Mar 21, 2021

Subduction Zone said:
That is one positive for the Baha'i. I think that in the U.S. it is some of the more money grubbing Christian sects, Christian sects where the pastors tend to rake in too much money from their flocks that have opposed solutions such as Zoom meetings.

Baha'is started the Zoom meetings long before the Governor told is we could not meet in groups anymore.
One thing about the Baha'is is that they are really organized, and of course they are all getting their vaccines.

Trailblazer · Mar 21, 2021

We Never Know said:
So now being a hermit is happpiness? Dealing with life by the internet is happiness? If it works for you that's great. It doesn't work in my world.

I am not a hermit, I am an introvert, and besides that why would I want to socialize with people who are all happy all the time, when I am not anything like them? How is that going to make me feel better?

I used to work in an office so I can compare my life then to my life now that I work at home. I have no interest in shallow social interactions where people talk about things I have no interest in. It is like they are living in another universe.

We Never Know · Mar 21, 2021

Trailblazer said:
I am not a hermit, I am an introvert, and besides that why would I want to socialize with people who are all happy all the time, when I am not anything like them? How is that going to make me feel better?

I used to work in an office so I can compare my life then to my life now that I work at home. I have no interest in shallow social interactions where people talk about things I have no interest in. It is like they are living in another universe.

"why would I want to socialize with people who are all happy all the time, when I am not anything like them"

Enough said. I wish you well

Trailblazer · Mar 21, 2021

We Never Know said:
I agree the long term affect are not known but....
What kills more people, virus's or vaccines....
And for the skeptics, what saves more people, virus's or vaccines?

I do not look at it that way, but if you want to do comparisons.....
What saves more people, God belief or atheism?
God is what people should be afraid of, IMO.
But it is much easier to take a vaccine and then they feel all safe and secure, like they have control over their lives.

We Never Know · Mar 21, 2021

Trailblazer said:
I do not look at it that way, but if you want to do comparisons.....
What saves more people, God belief or atheism?
God is what people should be afraid of, IMO.
But it is much easier to take a vaccine and then they feel all safe and secure, like they have control over their lives.

I can produce a physical virus and/or vaccine. Can you produce a physical god?

Trailblazer · Mar 21, 2021

We Never Know said:
I can produce a physical virus and/or vaccine. Can you produce a physical god?

No, because God is not physical, but that does not mean that He doesn't exist.
It is ironic that people are afraid of what they can see but not of what they cannot see, when what they cannot see is far more dangerous.

There is ample evidence that God exists, nonbelievers just do not like the evidence.
That is no different from you telling me that there is ample evidence that the vaccine is safe and effective, yet I don't like the evidence, so I am ignoring the evidence (at least for now) and taking my chances.

But the stakes are much higher if God exists and people ignore the evidence.
Just because the risks are unknown that does not mean there aren't any risks.

We Never Know · Mar 21, 2021

Trailblazer said:
No, because God is not physical, but that does not mean that He doesn't exist.
It is ironic that people are afraid of what they can see but not of what they cannot see, when what they cannot see is far more dangerous.

There is ample evidence that God exists, nonbelievers just do not like the evidence.
That is no different from you telling me that there is ample evidence that the vaccine is safe and effective, yet I don't like the evidence, so I am ignoring the evidence (at least for now) and taking my chances.

But the stakes are much higher if God exists and people ignore the evidence.
Just because the risks are unknown that does not mean there aren't any risks.

I never said its safe. I asked what kills more vaccines or viruses?

I can't see the wind or gravity but by the physical evidence they put off we can see and study their existence..

So i simply ask for one piece of physical evidence that can been shown, felt and studied for a god. Is that asking too much?

stvdv · Mar 21, 2021

Trailblazer said:
They are not telling us that in the United States

I did indeed notice, that Freedom of Press seems to be a bit more limited in some areas in the US as compared to Holland

Trailblazer said:
They are telling everyone to get the vaccine, that it is safe and effective and there is no danger

Yes, they do tell this also in Holland. But then next day sometimes they tell the opposite. They act

as if they don't know yet
But that is fine with me, as I got trained in that by my Master, Sai Baba, quoting on numerous occasions "Love my uncertainty"

Trailblazer said:
I have perfect health but I see no reason to risk losing it by taking the vaccine.

I am glad to read that you have perfect health. Health is wealth Sai Baba always said. Better treasure it, and don't mess with it.

I really love "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of Religion" and "Freedom to take the medicines/food I choose". When I was young, I was forced to eat whatever given, even if I did not want to eat it; even ****. Imposing makes sick. And now I decide what enters my body, no one else.

I understand that many Americans are so scared and screamish about C19, and those should maybe be, considering the below scientific facts

34.2 million people, or 10.5% of the U.S. population, have diabetes
Last year 4.8 percent in the Dutch population reported to have diabetes, versus 2.8 percent in 2001

More than half of the 671 million obese people in the world live in 10 countries, and America tops the list.
ca. 15 percent of the population in the Netherlands aged over 20 was seriously overweight (obese)
ca. 40% of American adults aged 20 and over are obese

stvdv · Mar 21, 2021

Trailblazer said:
I do not have any contact with anyone except my husband and neither one of us has contact with anyone else so I see no reason to get the vaccine.

I agree, that is the most safe way to go

. No vaccination protects 100%

. No contact protects 100%

. Common Sense first for me

Trailblazer said:
I guess if I was really afraid of dying like most people I might get it just in case. People are so afraid, I cannot live that way

I agree with this too. I am not afraid of dying like most people. Instead I welcome dying (death)
But as life is still intriguing and I have some interesting projects to finish, I continue (Deo Volente)

Trailblazer · Mar 21, 2021

We Never Know said:
I never said its safe. I asked what kills more vaccines or viruses?

I can't see the wind or gravity but by the physical evidence they put off we can see and study their existence..

So i simply ask for one piece of physical evidence that can been shown, felt and studied for a god. Is that asking too much?

If I told you that a physical man was the evidence that can be studied what would you say?

We Never Know · Mar 21, 2021

Trailblazer said:
If I told you that a physical man was the evidence that can be studied what would you say?

I would say so is the physical virus that kills and destoys.

Trailblazer · Mar 21, 2021

We Never Know said:
I would say so is the physical virus that kills and destoys.

It is not the physical man that kills and destroys, it is the nonphysical God.

stvdv · Mar 21, 2021

We Never Know said:
I never said its safe. I asked what kills more vaccines or viruses?

There are some conspiracy theories that claim that "they" want to decimate the world population, and use vaccines to accomplice that. IF those who believe this, are right THEN it is vaccines AND if those are wrong THEN it probably is viruses.

My believe is that viruses kill more. And in ca. 10 years my believe becomes kind of knowing (Deo Volente), just by waiting and doing nothing

We Never Know said:
So i simply ask for one piece of physical evidence that can been shown, felt and studied for a god. Is that asking too much?

And that is the difference between spiritual proof and scientific proof. Just wait and ask others, is not the right way according to the Wise

Follow the correct rules and presciptions given by either Science or Spirituality, and you will earn the respective knowledge or Wisdom

Subduction Zone · Mar 21, 2021

Trailblazer said:
They are doing what they do mainly for themselves so they can feel safe and protected or so they can go hug their grandchildren or go to a family gathering I have no family and no grandchildren to hug.

There is a guarantee I won't be hurt by the vaccine if I don't take it. There is no guarantee I won't be hurt if I do take it.

Studies can be done but how can anyone really know the studies are accurate? Studies were done on many drugs that were approved by the FDA and only later were they linked with all kinds of side effects and diseases and death.

You are not looking at this rationally. The odds are that you will get that disease and suffer severe consequences is much higher than the odds that the vaccine will harm you.

Truthseeker · Mar 21, 2021

Trailblazer said:
It is not the physical man that kills and destroys, it is the nonphysical God.

What are you saying?

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