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Censorship in school. Yep it happens. Teacher sues and wins.

JustGeorge

Not As Much Fun As I Look
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What is with the suing...

The teacher was in the wrong, and the yearbook should be amended. But it isn't a $325K mistake. No one was hurt, no lives were drastically altered, no property lost.

Wouldn't it be a more fitting punishment to force the teacher to watch a collective of all Trump's speeches from his 4 years in the White House? Or maybe clean out the local Republican headquarters?

This 'money as a solution to everything' is getting old...
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
What is with the suing...

The teacher was in the wrong, and the yearbook should be amended. But it isn't a $325K mistake. No one was hurt, no lives were drastically altered, no property lost.

Wouldn't it be a more fitting punishment to force the teacher to watch a collective of all Trump's speeches from his 4 years in the White House? Or maybe clean out the local Republican headquarters?

This 'money as a solution to everything' is getting old...
The payment was not actually about editing the photo - it was about the school blaming one of their teachers for editing it, when it was ordered as a mandate from the principal, resulting in a massive backlash against the teacher from a majority Trump-voting community when it made headlines four years ago. The teacher was suing the school for damages, not for "censorship".

As for the OP, I don't think we can equate "editing a yearbook photo because of political imagery" with "censorship in schools". A lot of schools have certain impartiality codes that make it so that they cannot be seen to endorse a particular political party, so it may have simply been a clumsy handling of that.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
I'm sure I read yesterday that critical theory is to be banned in Florida classrooms.
  1. This sounds like an unambiguous example censorship in school
  2. Who the hell is teaching critical theory to schoolies?
In the UK the Conservative government wants to remove material critical of capitalism from the curriculum. Oddly, the free-speech mob have been very quiet. Almost as if they don't really care about free speech at all...
 

JustGeorge

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The payment was not actually about editing the photo - it was about the school blaming one of their teachers for editing it, when it was ordered as a mandate from the principal, resulting in a massive backlash against the teacher from a majority Trump-voting community when it made headlines four years ago. The teacher was suing the school for damages, not for "censorship".

As for the OP, I don't think we can equate "editing a yearbook photo because of political imagery" with "censorship in schools". A lot of schools have certain impartiality codes that make it so that they cannot be seen to endorse a particular political party, so it may have simply been a clumsy handling of that.

Ah, a morning misread on my part.

If the school had an anti-political dress code, it was within its rights. If they don't, they were not within their rights, and the situation should be corrected(but not with cash).

I still disagree with buttloads of money coming into everything. Its just doesn't make sense. She should be reimbursed for any hardships she endured due to the issue, and anyone who harassed her should be prosecuted. Harassment is not excusable.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What is with the suing...

The teacher was in the wrong, and the yearbook should be amended. But it isn't a $325K mistake. No one was hurt, no lives were drastically altered, no property lost.

Wouldn't it be a more fitting punishment to force the teacher to watch a collective of all Trump's speeches from his 4 years in the White House? Or maybe clean out the local Republican headquarters?

This 'money as a solution to everything' is getting old...

I'd agree if there was a dress code. Otherwise the teacher was within her rights as she was forced to censor.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
What is with the suing...

The teacher was in the wrong, and the yearbook should be amended. But it isn't a $325K mistake. No one was hurt, no lives were drastically altered, no property lost.

Wouldn't it be a more fitting punishment to force the teacher to watch a collective of all Trump's speeches from his 4 years in the White House? Or maybe clean out the local Republican headquarters?

This 'money as a solution to everything' is getting old...
I agree.

All these lawsuits is sickening IMO. I am glad we don't have that craziness in Holland (yet).
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
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Wouldn't it be a more fitting punishment to force the teacher to watch a collective of all Trump's speeches from his 4 years in the White House?
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I thought America forbade cruel and unusual punishment?


Sorry, couldn’t resist
 

Saint Frankenstein

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Ah, a morning misread on my part.

If the school had an anti-political dress code, it was within its rights. If they don't, they were not within their rights, and the situation should be corrected(but not with cash).

I still disagree with buttloads of money coming into everything. Its just doesn't make sense. She should be reimbursed for any hardships she endured due to the issue, and anyone who harassed her should be prosecuted. Harassment is not excusable.
If it's a public school, it could be grounds for a First Amendment lawsuit. That is, if they ban students from wearing clothes with political speech on them.
 

JustGeorge

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If it's a public school, it could be grounds for a First Amendment lawsuit. That is, if they ban students from wearing clothes with political speech on them.

The simplest way would be to just ban shirts with words or pictures on them in their dress code. Our local school district has banned everything except two colored collared shirts and slacks without pockets. :rolleyes:

Because that's exactly what a low income school district needs, is more clothing dictates on already struggling parents...

Not going to lie, this was a huge burden off my chest when I took my kids out of public schools(one for Covid, the other permanently).
 

SomeRandom

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The simplest way would be to just ban shirts with words or pictures on them in their dress code. Our local school district has banned everything except two colored collared shirts and slacks without pockets. :rolleyes:

Because that's exactly what a low income school district needs, is more clothing dictates on already struggling parents...

Not going to lie, this was a huge burden off my chest when I took my kids out of public schools(one for Covid, the other permanently).
Huh I keep forgetting America has random rules for school uniforms without being actual school uniforms.
Over here uniforms are mandatory but can be cheap as chips. Usually tax deductible I think. The private schools have hella expensive uniforms though
 

JustGeorge

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Huh I keep forgetting America has random rules for school uniforms without being actual school uniforms.
Over here uniforms are mandatory but can be cheap as chips. Usually tax deductible I think. The private schools have hella expensive uniforms though

I remember not being able to afford 'school clothes' when my eldest started(even though he had gobs of 'other' clothes). I think they did the whole 'dress code' thing a year or two before he entered. The teachers were pretty nonjudgmental, and gave us some things from the spare clothes closet. However, it makes me want to gag whenever I hear the district complain about being low on funds... Like buying school clothes doesn't add up to an extra expense.

I think I would have died with mandatory uniforms. Creative dressing was probably the only thing I looked forward to in my school years...

Homeschooling is great. We can wear pajamas or tuxedos if we want(or a mixture of both).
 

SomeRandom

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I remember not being able to afford 'school clothes' when my eldest started(even though he had gobs of 'other' clothes). I think they did the whole 'dress code' thing a year or two before he entered. The teachers were pretty nonjudgmental, and gave us some things from the spare clothes closet. However, it makes me want to gag whenever I hear the district complain about being low on funds... Like buying school clothes doesn't add up to an extra expense.

I think I would have died with mandatory uniforms. Creative dressing was probably the only thing I looked forward to in my school years...

Homeschooling is great. We can wear pajamas or tuxedos if we want(or a mixture of both).
I don’t think my uniform cost more than 20 bucks a year, really. You had the option of buying from the school itself. Or just getting a cheap 2 dollar polo in the school colours and iron on the school crest. I honestly think the annual school levy fees cost more than all my uniforms combined. And I came from a pretty low income family.

I guess growing up with uniforms all my life, I never understood the American TV cliche of the children losing all creativity and becoming obedient in the “uniform episodes.” Whenever I saw those as a kid I used to think to myself, wow those are some pretty easily controllable kids.
Because to me if you had to rely on clothes to be your self expression, then your creativity is pretty shallow. That’s not to say I don’t see the value of free expression in clothing. I always have. But for me it was just a uniform and usually it was comfortable. We had free dress days, where you donate a gold coin to some charity the school sponsored and wore (appropriate) clothing for a day or two a year. But uniforms made the weekends liberating. Because that meant total freedom to do and dress however you please.
 

JustGeorge

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I don’t think my uniform cost more than 20 bucks a year, really. You had the option of buying from the school itself. Or just getting a cheap 2 dollar polo in the school colours and iron on the school crest. I honestly think the annual school levy fees cost more than all my uniforms combined. And I came from a pretty low income family.

I guess growing up with uniforms all my life, I never understood the American TV cliche of the children losing all creativity and becoming obedient in the “uniform episodes.” Whenever I saw those as a kid I used to think to myself, wow those are some pretty easily controllable kids.
Because to me if you had to rely on clothes to be your self expression, then your creativity is pretty shallow. That’s not to say I don’t see the value of free expression in clothing. I always have. But for me it was just a uniform and usually it was comfortable. We had free dress days, where you donate a gold coin to some charity the school sponsored and wore (appropriate) clothing for a day or two a year. But uniforms made the weekends liberating. Because that meant total freedom to do and dress however you please.

I've heard those who grow up with them don't mind them so much. My eldest son never did. My younger struggles with pants, period. And by struggles with pants, I mean, he can't keep them up. Belt doesn't do it for him, either. Elastic works, but its hard to find in approved school pants. Not impossible, but difficult.

It sounds horrifying to me, probably because I didn't grow up with it. I wasn't accustomed to it. And I hated school anyways, so if there had been a uniform shift in my day, it probably would have been one more negative factor for school. (Despite having good grades, I had severe social anxiety, making functioning comfortably in a group atmosphere very difficult.)

I think for me, the creativity regarding clothing was a bit more than "but this is me, man! You can't suppress me!" I was/am fascinated with clothing. I would design clothes(I actually had a teacher who took a few of my pictures for her seamstress), was fascinated with costumes, and drawing designs with my make up. My high school art teacher tried to convince me to devote a semester to putting together outfits and photographing them(but I unwisely declined; I wanted to learn to paint, which I ended up hating). Working within the limits of a uniform would have been.... like the food prep class being confined to a microwave(I hear it is now. :()
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
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I've heard those who grow up with them don't mind them so much. My eldest son never did. My younger struggles with pants, period. And by struggles with pants, I mean, he can't keep them up. Belt doesn't do it for him, either. Elastic works, but its hard to find in approved school pants. Not impossible, but difficult.

It sounds horrifying to me, probably because I didn't grow up with it. I wasn't accustomed to it. And I hated school anyways, so if there had been a uniform shift in my day, it probably would have been one more negative factor for school. (Despite having good grades, I had severe social anxiety, making functioning comfortably in a group atmosphere very difficult.)

I think for me, the creativity regarding clothing was a bit more than "but this is me, man! You can't suppress me!" I was/am fascinated with clothing. I would design clothes(I actually had a teacher who took a few of my pictures for her seamstress), was fascinated with costumes, and drawing designs with my make up. My high school art teacher tried to convince me to devote a semester to putting together outfits and photographing them(but I unwisely declined; I wanted to learn to paint, which I ended up hating). Working within the limits of a uniform would have been.... like the food prep class being confined to a microwave(I hear it is now. :()
Ahh but it is with limitations that true creativity blossoms. Think of all the writers and directors out there who worked really well on something with oversight from their studio, only to flounder after being given more leeway and budget. Because the discipline was gone, they were allowed to do anything and they were lost
 

JustGeorge

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Ahh but it is with limitations that true creativity blossoms. Think of all the writers and directors out there who worked really well on something with oversight from their studio, only to flounder after being given more leeway and budget. Because the discipline was gone, they were allowed to do anything and they were lost

That's true! I wonder what kids have come up with in our school district. I'm sure some of them had to come up with something...

I'm still not gonna eat of that microwave recipe stuff though. One shouldn't bake muffins in a microwave. Yuck. Just yuck.
 

SomeRandom

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That's true! I wonder what kids have come up with in our school district. I'm sure some of them had to come up with something...

I'm still not gonna eat of that microwave recipe stuff though. One shouldn't bake muffins in a microwave. Yuck. Just yuck.
Depends on the microwave. You can actually legitimately use various settings to get desired results. That’s what they were originally supposed to be for. To bake anything and everything but safer and faster. There are a myriad of settings you can use to great affect.
It’s just that people use them lazily.
 

JustGeorge

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Depends on the microwave. You can actually legitimately use various settings to get desired results. That’s what they were originally supposed to be for. To bake anything and everything but safer and faster. There are a myriad of settings you can use to great affect.
It’s just that people use them lazily.

Maybe its because I haven't had a microwave that doesn't both undercook and overcook simultaneously in so long I have difficulty imagining such... I have heard such stories, but, well.... I'll have to see it to really believe it!
 

SomeRandom

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Maybe its because I haven't had a microwave that doesn't both undercook and overcook simultaneously in so long I have difficulty imagining such... I have heard such stories, but, well.... I'll have to see it to really believe it!
There are entire cookbooks dedicated to “getting the most out of your microwave.”
But I use an air fryer now. It’s a godsend
 
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