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Why Trump Appeals to So Many Americans, IMO

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Regarding that need to feel superior, no one lords
their superior morality & intelligence over me more
that do liberals. So I don't think that's the difference
with MAGAs. Listen to them...thoughtfully.
What I hear from them....
- Says what he feels, & echoes their feelings.
- Anti-liberal & anti-socialist.
- Pro-Israel.
- Pro-Ameristan (they believe Dems aren't).
- Secure borders.
- Pro-business.
- Pro-military & police.
- He fights liberals (they hate liberals).

Caution:
I don't buy their reasons.
This is just what they tell me.

I echo most of the list. I'm sure there are those who hate liberals, but I wouldn't broad brush that since I don't hate liberals. There are some portions of liberal thoughts that I don't agree with, yes. At the same time, joining in many areas.

I would qualify "pro-American" - it should say "America first" (not that we are against helping other nations)

I would add that he is more pro-life vs pro-choice.

Certainly he has helped more the middle and lower class which also has been a drawing card that increased his support.

Thank you for "thoughtfully" listening.

@joe1776 - definitely has nothing to do with "superiority".
 

joe1776

Well-Known Member
@joe1776 - definitely has nothing to do with "superiority".
If you're speaking for yourself, your own motives, I certainly won't judge. You might well be an exception.

However, research psychologists are blaming narcissism (imagined superiority) for so many human failures that one of them recently in an article in Psychology Today griped that he thought his comrades were going much too far.

The point this writer overlooked is that theories which explain more of the observed effects are preferred by scientists -- more likely to be valid.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I think psychiatrists are onto something when they say that the superiority complex always masks a feeling of inferiority.
Maybe not always. But I would not be very surprised if it is close to 100%
And for sure it is lack of Love, when someone feels superior or inferior
This makes sense. Like Yin/Yang or HighTide/LowTide at sea.
Plus and Minus go together
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I think Donald Trump appeals to Americans who, like him, have a stronger-than-average need to feel superior to others.
That is also my observation, seeing the people who adore Trump (we have Trump devotees in Holland too)

BUT: Trump devotion is also possible:D (Trump came to this man in a dream; Trump also came in my dream, but I to me Trump is anti Christ)

I do remember this YouTube from India. This Indian man took it to a whole other level. Trump was his Ishta-deva
(And when Trump got corona, the man got depressed and died of heartproblems)

For this man, there was no God greater than Donald Trump (00:00:17)
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Psychologists sum up the narcissist this way:

Narcissism is characterized by a grandiose sense of self-importance, a lack of empathy for others, a need for excessive admiration, and the belief that one is unique and deserving of special treatment.
I agree with what you wrote, but narcissism is a diagnosis. That's important to mention, because it gets thrown around far too lightly.
Selfishness and self centeredness does not warrant a diagnosis.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I think this is a very valid observation. I also think that there have been some very strong cultural forces fueling this need for, and sense of self-importance. Not the least of which is a century of industrial strength commercial advertising, telling us all how superior we are or will be (when we buy this product). And how important is it to be, and to show everyone else how superior we are (so you'd better buy this product right away!). I think it's also being fueled particularly in the white middle and working class people because they are feeling, keenly, the loss of their past privileged position in society, due to an economy that has become more and more competitive and brutal in the last 40 years or so. And due to "liberal" reforms in attitudes toward minorities. They are feeling very ignored and very unsafe, socially and economically. And they're blaming all those people who used to be "beneath" them in the social-economic 'pecking order'. And of course all those "liberals" that liberated them and made them equals.

Trump and the republican party has been preying on these fears and resentments and feeding this need for a sense of superiority and privilege for a long time, now, and using it to inspire anger and loathing toward their political opponents (to win elections). And its worked so well that the republican party has gained massive control of government and pushed the whole nation far, far to the right. And now they just can't stop doing it even though it's destroying the country and tearing our whole society apart.
Just like the Democrats. Mirror images of each other.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
I echo most of the list. I'm sure there are those who hate liberals, but I wouldn't broad brush that since I don't hate liberals. There are some portions of liberal thoughts that I don't agree with, yes. At the same time, joining in many areas.

I would qualify "pro-American" - it should say "America first" (not that we are against helping other nations)

I would add that he is more pro-life vs pro-choice.

Certainly he has helped more the middle and lower class which also has been a drawing card that increased his support.

Thank you for "thoughtfully" listening.

@joe1776 - definitely has nothing to do with "superiority".

And fake Christians actually believe that Jesus wants us to put America first and not care about most of the people of the world, how stupid is that?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I echo most of the list. I'm sure there are those who hate liberals, but I wouldn't broad brush that since I don't hate liberals. There are some portions of liberal thoughts that I don't agree with, yes. At the same time, joining in many areas.

I would qualify "pro-American" - it should say "America first" (not that we are against helping other nations)

I would add that he is more pro-life vs pro-choice.

Certainly he has helped more the middle and lower class which also has been a drawing card that increased his support.

Thank you for "thoughtfully" listening.

@joe1776 - definitely has nothing to do with "superiority".
BTW, I intended items on my list to not all apply to every MAGA.
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
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Certainly he has helped more the middle and lower class which also has been a drawing card that increased his support.
.....
Yeah. I’m going to have to echo @ecco on this one.
o_Oo_O
How, exactly has Trump so greatly improved the lives of the middle class, and the lower economic classed during his 4 years? :confused:
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I think this is a very valid observation. I also think that there have been some very strong cultural forces fueling this need for, and sense of self-importance. Not the least of which is a century of industrial strength commercial advertising, telling us all how superior we are or will be (when we buy this product). And how important is it to be, and to show everyone else how superior we are (so you'd better buy this product right away!). I think it's also being fueled particularly in the white middle and working class people because they are feeling, keenly, the loss of their past privileged position in society, due to an economy that has become more and more competitive and brutal in the last 40 years or so. And due to "liberal" reforms in attitudes toward minorities. They are feeling very ignored and very unsafe, socially and economically. And they're blaming all those people who used to be "beneath" them in the social-economic 'pecking order'. And of course all those "liberals" that liberated them and made them equals.

Trump and the republican party has been preying on these fears and resentments and feeding this need for a sense of superiority and privilege for a long time, now, and using it to inspire anger and loathing toward their political opponents (to win elections). And its worked so well that the republican party has gained massive control of government and pushed the whole nation far, far to the right. And now they just can't stop doing it even though it's destroying the country and tearing our whole society apart.

Its clear who you loathe and feel superior to.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Yeah. I’m going to have to echo @ecco on this one.
o_Oo_O
How, exactly has Trump so greatly improved the lives of the middle class, and the lower economic classed during his 4 years? :confused:

Well, its said there was record black employment. But I'm neither so it's nothing to me.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If you're speaking for yourself, your own motives, I certainly won't judge. You might well be an exception.

However, research psychologists are blaming narcissism (imagined superiority) for so many human failures that one of them recently in an article in Psychology Today griped that he thought his comrades were going much too far.

The point this writer overlooked is that theories which explain more of the observed effects are preferred by scientists -- more likely to be valid.
Is this the article?
An Analysis of Trump Supporters Has Identified 5 Key Traits

It's not very in-depth, but it makes some interesting points. A more comprehensive analysis can be found here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...le-predicts-whether-you-support-donald-trump/
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Besides the lowest unemployment before Covid beating all expectations for every area (hispanic, black, women et al):

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Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
somebody in the trump administration cooked the books, the trump economy was the worst I've experienced as a business person, no one had money to spend, the "recovery" was all on paper.
 
The man's opinion jolted me because I realized that, based only on his photograph, I had judged HIM as ugly and stupid.

I think Donald Trump appeals to Americans who, like him, have a stronger-than-average need to feel superior to others.

You are doing the same thing you did as a 17 year old: judging Trump supporters as being 'ugly and stupid' based on superficial prejudice.

Now, I do acknowledge that the feeling of moral superiority is an arrogant position and that a minority of liberals do act that way.

If it's a minority, it is a very large and very vocal and often very spiteful minority. A large and vocal minority that has been telling large sections of society that the only reason they won't agree that liberals are always correct is stupidity/racism/bigotry or some other character defect (such as arrogance).

As you correctly note, it is a common need to feel superior to people in certain areas: richer, smarter, wiser, more moral, possessing of a truth others haven't realised, less arrogant, etc.

We just tend to be better at seeing it in those other than ourselves and those we identify with.

As a heuristic, if your response to any highly complex and subjective issue is "No right thinking person could disagree with me. Thus people who disagree with me do so because they are stupid/bigoted/arrogant/etc", you are probably engaging in such behaviour.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
And fake Christians actually believe that Jesus wants us to put America first and not care about most of the people of the world, how stupid is that?
I really sense your love when you paint the broad brush of "fake Christians". Did I say we didn't care about the people of the world?

Let me ask you a question... who can help the people of the world... a place like Afghanistan or US? Why?
 
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