John Macarthur opens church

dad · Nov 26, 2020

Shadow Wolf said:
Thats not the point. The point is god doing abortions. Very late term abortions if we count the deaths of the first born in Egypt. All those born and unborn children during the flood and in Sodom and Ghomorah. Amd the unborn ripped from the womb when the Hebrew soldiers invaded.

Prove anyone had unborn children in that wicked city known doe same sex preferences!!? That was one reason they got judged maybe. As for Egypt, they had been tossing God's babies to the crocs. God warned them and gave them opportunity to repent. They spit in His face and got worse, so He used their own crimes to judge them. Not the unborn either. As for the pagan savage armies of that day, yes, they did kill babies and mothers. God knew they were coming and Israel abandoned the protection of God so the bad guys would come one day. They were nothing like Jesus so don't blame God for their animalistic savagery.

"the inhabitants of Samaria, and of the land, particularly the men thereof; and especially their armed men, their men of war, that fought for them, and defended them; these should fall by the sword of the Assyrian; their children shall be dashed to pieces; against stones, walls, and pavements; who should have perpetuated their name to future ages, and inherited their possessions: and their women with child shall be ripped up;
things which are often done by cruel enemies, when cities are sacked and plundered; and which Shalmaneser might be provoked unto by the perfidy of the king of Israel, and by the city of Samaria holding out a three years' siege. This, though we have no account of as done at that time, yet no doubt was; even as the same things are predicted of Jerusalem by the Chaldeans, and which were to be done to them, in retaliation for them, though there is no narrative of them; see (Psalms 137:8,9) (Isaiah 13:16,18)"
Hosea - Chapter 13 - Verse 16 - The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible on StudyLight.org

Our DNA is what makes us who we are, as humans, as an ethnicity, hair color, and a host of other genetic traits.

No it is not. No more than boards make a house what it is.

dad · Nov 26, 2020

SkepticThinker said:
Well, I care. I care about people backing up their bald assertions on discussion forums. Especially when said person is constantly demanding evidence from others.
So next time you assert "created kinds" the rest of us now know that we can dismiss your claims because you refuse to produce any evidence whatsoever.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
-Christopher Hitchens

Nice cop out though. Remember this next time you ask anybody else for evidence of anything. "Oh well, no one cares if you have an opinion." Don't forget now!

The bible tells us there were kinds created. Science has no clue either way. Nor do you. Believe whatever you like.

dad · Nov 26, 2020

SkepticThinker said:
You didn't read this either, did you?
It doesn't back up your assertions.
It's a study comparing cloth masks with surgical masks.
Neither one says anything about bacterial pneumonia.

Try adding 2 plus two. If masks are known to result, in some cases of misuse, in bacteria growth and possible infections, and the majority of deaths in the Spanish flu were from bacteria, that could equal real danger.

dad · Nov 26, 2020

SkepticThinker said:
No, you're not.

You missed the point.

The point is that you are not in a position to demonstrate the veracity of your god claims, especially as pertains to reading some god's mind. So your claim about what God(s) wants is just as good or bad as anyone else's because it cannot be demonstrated that God(s) told anybody anything. If a person thinks that God told them to do something, what makes them any different from you? And how would you demonstrate that they are incorrect, or that you are correct, in your assertions?

I've read the Bible. There are plenty of instances of God telling his people to go out and murder their neighbours and dash their baby's heads against the rocks. So your assertion that God would tell people to do such a thing is negated by the Bible.

Sorry, you are in no position to claim Scripture does not tell us what God wants and commands and thinks. Gong!

Shadow Wolf · Nov 26, 2020

dad said:
Prove anyone had unborn children in that wicked city known doe same sex preferences!!? That was one reason they got judged maybe. As for Egypt, they had been tossing God's babies to the crocs. God warned them and gave them opportunity to repent. They spit in His face and got worse, so He used their own crimes to judge them. Not the unborn either. As for the pagan savage armies of that day, yes, they did kill babies and mothers. God knew they were coming and Israel abandoned the protection of God so the bad guys would come one day. They were nothing like Jesus so don't blame God for their animalistic savagery.

So, then it's ok if god butchers and slaughters and massacres innocent children?

dad said:
No it is not. No more than boards make a house what it is.

We cannot be anything our genetics doesn't allow. This is why we are humans and not monkeys.

Subduction Zone · Nov 26, 2020

dad said:
You did not post a single piece though asked several times. Until you do, you need to be ignored.

That is false. You even admitted that I posted evidence. Though why you are bringing your failures up from an evolution thread in a political thread is beyond me.

Subduction Zone · Nov 26, 2020

dad said:
Sorry, you are in no position to claim Scripture does not tell us what God wants and commands and thinks. Gong!

I see dad has his gong out again. He rings that every time he makes an exceptionally foolish post. It is one of his many ways that he admits to being wrong.

SkepticThinker · Nov 27, 2020

dad said:
The bible tells us there were kinds created. Science has no clue either way. Nor do you. Believe whatever you like.

Great. Other ancient books say other stuff.

What's any of that got to do with science?
What's any of that got to do with demonstrating the veracity of your claims?
I don't care what the Bible or anything else says about anything because it doesn't provide any evidence of anything. It contains claims like the one you are making. Just saying "well the Bible says so" doesn't back up your claim in the slightest any more than if I cited Harry Potter to demonstrate that magic is real.

SkepticThinker · Nov 27, 2020

dad said:
Try adding 2 plus two. If masks are known to result, in some cases of misuse, in bacteria growth and possible infections, and the majority of deaths in the Spanish flu were from bacteria, that could equal real danger.

Try providing some evidence for your claims.

You've shown absolutely nothing to demonstrate that mask wearing leads to bacterial pneumonia. You also didn't address the very obvious fact that doctors, nurse, and healthcare workers wear masks pretty much all day, on a daily basis, and have been even more so during the last 10 months dealing with COVID, and there has been no mass increase in cases of bacterial pneumonia connected with that, which we should expect, if your claim is an accurate one.

Bacterial pneumonia is a common secondary infection associated with the flu. This is apparently well known.

After looking around a bit, I think I've figured out where you pulled this claim from. Apparently you pulled it from an internet meme about Dr. Fauci supposedly writing a paper declaring that cases of bacterial pneumonia during the Spanish Flu were caused by mask wearing. Which of course is completely inaccurate. In fact, the paper he co-authored in 2008 didn't even mention masks at all.
I think this is a good demonstration as to why we shouldn't get our information from internet memes.

SkepticThinker · Nov 27, 2020

dad said:
Sorry, you are in no position to claim Scripture does not tell us what God wants and commands and thinks. Gong!

You didn't address the point again.

And I went to such great lengths to expand on it for you.
How disappointing.

By the way, another Christian told me that you're wrong about what the Bible says about abortion.
So now what?
:shrug:

SkepticThinker · Nov 27, 2020

Shadow Wolf said:
So, then it's ok if god butchers and slaughters and massacres innocent children?

We cannot be anything our genetics doesn't allow. This is why we are humans and not monkeys.

Two wrongs make a right, apparently.

Shadow Wolf · Nov 27, 2020

SkepticThinker said:
Two wrongs make a right, apparently.

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth does leave the world blimd and hungry.

dad · Nov 27, 2020

Shadow Wolf said:
So, then it's ok if god butchers and slaughters and massacres innocent children?

We cannot be anything our genetics doesn't allow. This is why we are humans and not monkeys.

God can die for us to make the way for eternal life for those who come to Him. He can also destroy the wicked who try to stop that and fight His plan and people and word. We should understand that resistance is futile and impossible for long and leads to death and hell. Jesus is returning to bring Peace and love ever after, and also to take over this world by force and wipe out the evil who fight Him and us. That is because He is good and righteous. The wicked have one option - unconditional surrender.

dad · Nov 27, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
That is false. You even admitted that I posted evidence. Though why you are bringing your failures up from an evolution thread in a political thread is beyond me.

You repeatedly failed to post one single point that needs no faith for your religion.

dad · Nov 27, 2020

SkepticThinker said:
You didn't address the point again.

And I went to such great lengths to expand on it for you.
How disappointing.

By the way, another Christian told me that you're wrong about what the Bible says about abortion.
So now what?

Believe the bible or..that supposed other Christian. Child sacrifice is absolute evil, and one of the crimes that elicits a response from God in history pretty fast. All these things we see today are the beginning of the time when God lowers the boom. Masks will not help, repenting will.

Subduction Zone · Nov 27, 2020

dad said:
You repeatedly failed to post one single point that needs no faith for your religion.

That is a falsehood and technically a breaking of the Ninth Commandment. Your inability to understand evidence does not mean that none has been presented.

All you need to do is to demonstrate that you understand the concept of evidence, then you can demand and be provided endless evidence. And since it is clear that you don't (you would be guilty of lying countless times if you did) I will be happy to help you to learn. It would be a waste of my time to present you with evidence again since you would simply deny it. And once again, if one understands the concept of evidence denying it is a form of lying. Scientists have a very clear and working definition of evidence because of people somewhat like you. There are people that will deny evidence simply because they do not like it. That is not allowed in the sciences.

SkepticThinker · Nov 27, 2020

dad said:
Believe the bible or..that supposed other Christian. Child sacrifice is absolute evil, and one of the crimes that elicits a response from God in history pretty fast. All these things we see today are the beginning of the time when God lowers the boom. Masks will not help, repenting will.

Okay I can see you're not going to ever address the point.
When you can demonstrate you've got a direct line to your God's mind, maybe I'll listen.

Until then, I'm done with this line of discussion. I don't enjoy beating my head against the wall.

P.S. If child sacrifice is so evil, you should maybe let your God know that he shouldn't be commanding his followers to kill neighbouring tribes and dash the babies heads against the rocks. Or you know, kill all the babies on the planet in a massive flood. :shrug:

dad · Nov 27, 2020

SkepticThinker said:
Try providing some evidence for your claims.

You've shown absolutely nothing to demonstrate that mask wearing leads to bacterial pneumonia. You also didn't address the very obvious fact that doctors, nurse, and healthcare workers wear masks pretty much all day, on a daily basis, and have been even more so during the last 10 months dealing with COVID, and there has been no mass increase in cases of bacterial pneumonia connected with that, which we should expect, if your claim is an accurate one.

Bacterial pneumonia is a common secondary infection associated with the flu. This is apparently well known.

After looking around a bit, I think I've figured out where you pulled this claim from. Apparently you pulled it from an internet meme about Dr. Fauci supposedly writing a paper declaring that cases of bacterial pneumonia during the Spanish Flu were caused by mask wearing. Which of course is completely inaccurate. In fact, the paper he co-authored in 2008 didn't even mention masks at all.
I think this is a good demonstration as to why we shouldn't get our information from internet memes.

The issue is whether misuse of masks can lead to danger.
"Dr. Jenny Harries, England's deputy chief medical officer, has warned that it was not a good idea for the public to wear facemasks as the virus can get trapped in the material and causes infection when the wearer breathes in"
Reusing masks may increase your risk of coronavirus infection, expert says

"
Twenty-four hours after the initial mask drop-off, it was time for the moment of truth at the UofL lab.

ABC13: Okay, give it to us straight-- who had the cleanest mask?Tom Shahady: Sydney [Welch], by far, there was basically almost nothing on her cloth mask.
Shahady said the rest of the masks were contaminated with several bacterial groups. He first tested all masks for heterotrophic bacteria, found in oxygen. He reported traces of this bacteria group on all 10masks; he said seven of them were "very" contaminated."
How dirty is your face mask? ABC13 Investigates | WSET

What the article you cited mentioned was that bacteria was very much involved in fatalities. It is known that bacteria comes from face masks and certainly from ones that are not very clean and fresh etc. You really have nothing to possibly argue about. Believe what you will. As I said, go ahead and wear masks as much as you like. You are welcome to a belief. When people get pushy with their beliefs, and try to steal the freedom of others, that is another matter.

dad · Nov 27, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
That is a falsehood and technically a breaking of the Ninth Commandment. Your inability to understand evidence does not mean that none has been presented.

All you need to do is to demonstrate that you understand the concept of evidence, then you can demand and be provided endless evidence. And since it is clear that you don't (you would be guilty of lying countless times if you did) I will be happy to help you to learn. It would be a waste of my time to present you with evidence again since you would simply deny it. And once again, if one understands the concept of evidence denying it is a form of lying. Scientists have a very clear and working definition of evidence because of people somewhat like you. There are people that will deny evidence simply because they do not like it. That is not allowed in the sciences.

Looking at your latest spam here I see not one point in it. Not a single point of evidence that is not faith based (or any other sort) As always, this is what we see when you waste our time pretending.

dad · Nov 27, 2020

SkepticThinker said:
Okay I can see you're not going to ever address the point.
When you can demonstrate you've got a direct line to your God's mind, maybe I'll listen.

Until then, I'm done with this line of discussion. I don't enjoy beating my head against the wall.

P.S. If child sacrifice is so evil, you should maybe let your God know that he shouldn't be commanding his followers to kill neighbouring tribes and dash the babies heads against the rocks. Or you know, kill all the babies on the planet in a massive flood.

I have a direct link to the mind of God as does anyone who reads His word. That is the point and it is not I that missed it.

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