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So... what is God?

Segev Moran

Well-Known Member
1) as gift, preserved by God, God's spirit, departing at death, disembodied being
2) as energy of life
What do you mean when you say energy of life?
Depends of which definition of love--but God's kind of love:

An expression of spiritual feeling that manifests and expresses its being in the following manner:

  1. Love is large and incredibly patient.
I Agree.
  1. Love is gentle and consistently kind to all.
Should one Be gentle and kind to one's abuser?
  1. refuses to be jealous when blessing comes to someone else.
Jealousy is what drives our world.
There are two types of jealousy.
A constructing one, and a destructive one.
Which of those does this refer to?

  1. does not brag about one’s achievements nor inflate its own importance.
Agreed.
  1. Love does not traffic in shame and disrespect, nor selfishly seek its own honor.
What do you mean "own honor"?
If subjective, this means each can invent its own understanding of honor.
  1. Love is not easily irritated or quick to take offense.
Agreed.
  1. Love joyfully celebrates honesty and finds no delight in what is wrong.
What if my honesty causes great harm?
I do not mean telling my wife everything about me. that is obvious. couples should be truthful to each other.
I mean should i be completely honest to any stranger or a friend?
If not, where lays the "border"?
  1. Love is a safe place of shelter, for it never stops believing the best for others.
Agreed :)
  1. Love never takes failure as defeat, for it never gives up.
Why not? What's wrong with defeat?
I think love is knowing to accept defeat as a good thing rather than a bad one.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
What do you mean when you say energy of life?

I'm trying to use words that you may relate to or understand. Force of life? Eternal spirit?

Should one Be gentle and kind to one's abuser?

Are you saying you should abuse the abuser?

Jealousy is what drives our world.
There are two types of jealousy.
A constructing one, and a destructive one.
Which of those does this refer to?


  1. If jealousy is what drives our world, perhaps that is why it is in such a mess?
  2. Constructive, of course :) and logically - for love isn't destructive
What do you mean "own honor"?
If subjective, this means each can invent its own understanding of honor.

In other words, we aren't out "to promote myself". Like the two people who were talking to each other. The first spent 10 minutes talking about himself and how great he was and then stopped and said, "I have been talking about me for 10 minutes... why don't you take 10 minutes and talk about me some more"

What if my honesty causes great harm?
I do not mean telling my wife everything about me. that is obvious. couples should be truthful to each other.
I mean should i be completely honest to any stranger or a friend?
If not, where lays the "border"?

Situational ethics? If you read what it said, "finds no delight in what is wrong." why would you have trouble being honest? Are you saying that, as a whole, people should be dishonest?

Why not? What's wrong with defeat?
I think love is knowing to accept defeat as a good thing rather than a bad one.

It depends how you look at it. Every gold medalist was defeated countless of times in competition but they didn't take it as a defeat, they took it as an opportunity to learn. Your statement is a little myopic in scope IMV.
 
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PearlSeeker

Well-Known Member
God's kind of love:

An expression of spiritual feeling that manifests and expresses its being in the following manner:
[emphasis added]
Love (or loving) is a relation, a bond. This bond is not just emotional but also a voluntary decision.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Love (or loving) is a relation, a bond. This bond is not just emotional but also a voluntary decision.
Well actually, since the Bible says God IS love, (1 John 4:16 - And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.), we know God does not torture humans endlessly in some hellfire as some make condemnation out to be. Or beat them mercilessly. Even when He disciplines. Because -- God IS love.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Love (or loving) is a relation, a bond. This bond is not just emotional but also a voluntary decision.

Actually, it should be more of a decision than an emotion because just as emotions can come, they can leave and then come back again.

When Jesus was on the cross after been beaten, people were cursing at him and taunting him. No "love" emotions yet his love decision was the greatest mankind has ever seen when he said "Father forgive them, for they know not what they are doing". A love-fest by decision.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
If you ever have had kids you know this isn't always true.
I've had three children and now have 11 grandchildren... and even a spanking can be gentle and kind though it sting as we say "this will hurt me more than it will hurt you".
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
The simplest answer is that no one knows. no one ever presumed to know what God is.

By your line of reasoning then no one knows history.

History is from those witnessed the events and gathered by a historian as the author. Humans mostly rely on this mechanism to convey a truth to the majority, including daily news (current events vs. historical events) and even science (gathered from what witnessed by our scientists using say, expensive equipment only scientists have the privilege to access).

God is witnessed by His chosen witnesses with their info gathered into a book we call the Bible. Not all religions behave so though.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Actually, it should be more of a decision than an emotion because just as emotions can come, they can leave and then come back again.

When Jesus was on the cross after been beaten, people were cursing at him and taunting him. No "love" emotions yet his love decision was the greatest mankind has ever seen when he said "Father forgive them, for they know not what they are doing". A love-fest by decision.
well I wouldn't exactly call it a love-fest, but surely Jesus had a very close relationship with his heavenly father and we can look at that love with understanding as he reacted and try to apply in our own lives to people that persecute us or don't treat us properly. Thanks for mentioning it.
 

Segev Moran

Well-Known Member
I'm trying to use words that you may relate to or understand. Force of life? Eternal spirit?
Still no i assume.
In my POV energy is movement.
There is a force of energy, that is unknown to us.
If you refer to "life force" the same way, is it fair to describe it as an unknown physical force that drives the organic life forms (probably in the universe) to have a "will" to survive?
Are you saying you should abuse the abuser?
No.
I am saying you shouldn't be kind to a person that abuses you.
Please don't mix that with treat him as another human being.

Being kind to someone means treating him with good intentions.
If your husband punches you, what he needs is not a "kind behavior", rather a psychological one.
In a case of abuse, you shouldn't be kind to the abuser!
Don't mix not being kind with being disrespectful to him as a human being.

  1. If jealousy is what drives our world, perhaps that is why it is in such a mess?
Not really :)
It is in a mass because people don't really care about others. it has got nothing to do with jealousy.
We slowly (but surely) realize that we should care for others.
Many people (most i would guess) think that you should be kind to others.
We need to carefully choose our morals in order for us to thrive as humans.
"Not in my country so i don't care".. once we will understand that is the exact opposite of what we should accept as "moral", humanity will quickly become a much better place.
  1. Constructive, of course :) and logically - for love isn't destructive
I agree.
The thing is, that jealousy out of love is not really jealousy ;) its more of a "drive".
There is a "level" when this "drive" becomes what we really refer to when we say jealousy.
In other words, we aren't out "to promote myself". Like the two people who were talking to each other. The first spent 10 minutes talking about himself and how great he was and then stopped and said, "I have been talking about me for 10 minutes... why don't you take 10 minutes and talk about me some more"
Lol. agreed. although one should know how to promote himself :)
It is part of our day to day life.
The question is if you promote yourself on the expense of another. than it's a problem :)
Situational ethics? If you read what it said, "finds no delight in what is wrong." why would you have trouble being honest? Are you saying that, as a whole, people should be dishonest?
No.
People should be thoughtful.
There is a way to pass truth to someone.
It depends how you look at it. Every gold medalist was defeated countless of times in competition but they didn't take it as a defeat, they took it as an opportunity to learn. Your statement is a little myopic in scope IMV.
I agree.
They were defeated.
There is no other way to look at it.
They simply decided to take defeat as a good thing. which it is.
We learn from defeat.
No matter where you look at, the only way we really learn from , as where we fail.
 

Segev Moran

Well-Known Member
By your line of reasoning then no one knows history.
How come?
History is from those witnessed the events and gathered by a historian as the author.
Yes.
But we verify history in many ways.
Not only by someone who claims X.
It should be backed up by genuine physical evidence to be determined as "true" history.
We all know what happened 500 years ago.
We have strong evidence about it.
We all know what happened 1000 years ago.
The more years pass by, the less we know and more speculation comes into play.
Some history that is 40 years old and we have very little understanding of it.
History is what we manage to prove as probable in our past.
We have a lot of knowledge about history.
Humans mostly rely on this mechanism to convey a truth to the majority, including daily news (current events vs. historical events) and even science (gathered from what witnessed by our scientists using say, expensive equipment only scientists have the privilege to access).
That is not true.
Science can be proven to each and every one.
There are countless of locations you can go (even free) and see the results of the scientific discoveries in you own eyes.
Daily news are not really history.
Verified events are!
God is witnessed by His chosen witnesses with their info gathered into a book we call the Bible. Not all religions behave so though.
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What do you mean?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Still no i assume.
In my POV energy is movement.
There is a force of energy, that is unknown to us.
If you refer to "life force" the same way, is it fair to describe it as an unknown physical force that drives the organic life forms (probably in the universe) to have a "will" to survive?

Interesting... extending into possibility, certainly energy (or light) is involved... but I would say it comes forth from and out of the spirit. I would say just as information is transmitted through fiber optics, the very foundation of material is light/sound waves. From the Spirit of God comes the very information that drives the material world. I wouldn't call it "will to survive" but rather creation being driven by the information that God set from the beginning when He said "Let there be..." and the DNA of creation was given.

No.
I am saying you shouldn't be kind to a person that abuses you.
Please don't mix that with treat him as another human being.

Being kind to someone means treating him with good intentions.
If your husband punches you, what he needs is not a "kind behavior", rather a psychological one.
In a case of abuse, you shouldn't be kind to the abuser!
Don't mix not being kind with being disrespectful to him as a human being.

OK... I think we are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole here. "Kindness" could be "You are going to jail because if you don't..." I think we are just being argumentative here.

Lol. agreed. although one should know how to promote himself :)
It is part of our day to day life.
The question is if you promote yourself on the expense of another. than it's a problem :)

:)

No.
People should be thoughtful.
There is a way to pass truth to someone.

that's an honest statement :)

I agree.
They were defeated.
There is no other way to look at it.
They simply decided to take defeat as a good thing. which it is.
We learn from defeat.
No matter where you look at, the only way we really learn from , as where we fail.

agreed...

Well we can agree on some things then!
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Still no i assume.
In my POV energy is movement.
There is a force of energy, that is unknown to us.
If you refer to "life force" the same way, is it fair to describe it as an unknown physical force that drives the organic life forms (probably in the universe) to have a "will" to survive?
...
Handling or responding to the above point, when I was in high school I learned that there is "space" in atoms and between atoms. In my chemistry class. So I figured that a desk was atoms clinging together hanging on space. But now that you mention it, that "space" is probably not simply space as we conjecture it to be. As said, we can't see magnetism or gravity.
 
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