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"Catholic Leader: If We Cancel Mass Due to Coronavirus, We’ve 'Lost Our Courage' "

Vouthon

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
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epronovost said:
Scype with your priest? It's the 21st century, technology can also help you with medieval problems.
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Actually, that's effectively what the pope's been doing:

https://www.christiantoday.com/article/pope-livestreams-mass-for-people-with-coronavirus/134403.htm

Pope livestreams Mass for people with coronavirus


On Sunday, the Pope delivered his Angelus prayer from inside the Vatican via livestream instead of the traditional window above St Peter's Square in a bid to stop large crowds forming.

On Monday, the Pope's Mass at Casa Santa Marta was dedicated to people suffering from coronavirus and was also broadcast live.

The Pope introduced the liturgy saying, "In these days, I will offer Mass for those who are sick from the coronavirus epidemic, for the doctors, nurses, volunteers who are helping them, for their families, for the elderly in nursing homes, for prisoners."​
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Vouthon said:
In pews, masses of people (pun) are very closely huddled together and eating communion bread / drinking communion wine in rows, one person after another from the same hands / cup.

I would say that this is somewhat different from the lack of close-contact, other than over the counter (most supermarkets in the UK have computerised self-service machines now, though), in a shopping mall.
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We have a few self-checkout machines but many grocery stores still don't for some reason. So you stand in a crowded line and everyone gets to touch the little divider placed between groceries. Folks squeeze the mellons and sort through the vegetables.

DMV you get to stand in long lines, rest your hands on the ropes that separate the lines. Shop for clothes/shoes that others have tried on.

Wash your hands, avoid touching your face is about the most effective prevention.
 
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LightofTruth

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Father Heathen said:
That's not exactly how Erwin died, if that's who you're referring to. He didn't even see the stingray as it was buried beneath the sand, but anyway...

A better example would be that guy who recently launched himself to his death via his homemade rocket.
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They were filming for a series called "Oceans Deadliest". So, the idea was to go into the ocean to encounter the most deadliest creatures there.

Sound like a good plan to you?
 
Vouthon

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
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Father Heathen said:
You can transmit audio and video digitally, but not mana.
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Whilst I do get the joke/humour, its not strictly true actually:


Those unable to receive Eucharist can have spiritual communion | DOLR.org


What is spiritual communion? St. Thomas Aquinas described it as “an ardent desire to receive Jesus in the most holy sacrament and lovingly embrace him” at a time or in circumstances when we cannot receive him in sacramental Communion.

The Catechism of the Council of Trent devoted a special section to spiritual communion in its program of renewal in the late 16th century. In the past, instruction manuals gave as the most familiar situation, the need of a mother to stay home from Sunday Mass to care for a sick child, thereby missing the opportunity for Communion.

In such cases, the mother could make an act of spiritual communion, uniting herself with the Mass in her parish church and receive the spiritual benefit of Communion.

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The grace of the sacrament can still be conveyed in cases where it is not possible to physically partake, through communion by desire or spiritual communion. Its efficacious.

Baptism by explicit or implicit desire is also part of the church's doctrinal teaching.
 
Cooky

Cooky

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columbus said:
Dear Jesus Lord Our Savior...

How can you possibly flip from a public mass to private ritual without realizing how primitive and stupid you're making Mother Church look?

Tom
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What the hell are you talking about now..?
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
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Skwim said:
In other words, there's no sense in cancelling anything.

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I think it is optimistic to think this will do much to prevent the spread. The CDC estimate that 30,000 will die from other flus. It'd be great to prevent those deaths as well but I think humans are just too social.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

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LightofTruth said:
They were filming for a series called "Oceans Deadliest". So, the idea was to go into the ocean to encounter the most deadliest creatures there.

Sound like a good plan to you?
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He wasn't searching for stingrays, which aren't even close to "most deadliest". In fact they're quite docile. They only attack when they feel threatened. Steve was swimming low along the bottom, happened across a sting ray hidden in the sand, and got jabbed in the heart. It was a freak accident.
Stingray related deaths are extremely rare, and most stingray related injuries tend to be minor and result from people stepping on them.
 
McBell

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
I have always been of the mind that lightning rods on churches reveals a serious lack of faith.
 
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LightofTruth

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Father Heathen said:
He wasn't searching for stingrays, which aren't even close to "most deadliest". In fact they're quite docile. They only attack when they feel threatened. Steve was swimming low along the bottom, happened across a sting ray hidden in the sand, and got jabbed in the heart. It was a freak accident.
Stingray related deaths are extremely rare, and most stingray related injuries tend to be minor and result from people stepping on them.
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According to the cameraman, they saw an extremely large stingray(8 feet across) and after they surfaced, they decided to go back to get some footage of it.
Rattlesnakes are docile creatures too. They don't go after people. They only attack when they feel threatened.
 
Cooky

Cooky

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I don't talk to anti-Catholics about Catholicism.
Have fun with your smear campaign, @Skwim.

-unsubscribing-
 
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metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Skwim said:
If a priest wants to hold Mass, he’s more than welcome to. But the congregation is attending at its own peril. They’re especially setting themselves up for trouble if they’re drinking from the same chalice.
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At this point, the United States Council of Catholic Bishops is leaving such decisions up to the local diocese and churches, especially since not all areas here are getting hit as hard-- thus far at least. Some diocese churches are already planning on live-streaming mass in areas harder hit, and already in our area (Detroit) we have two stations that have "Mass for Shut-Ins" televised on local t.v. channels.

Our local church has already made some changes, and they were effective already last weekend even though there are no cases of corona-virus in our area that we're aware of.
 
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