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Does your religion have a Judas figure?

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whirlingmerc

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There are at least three Psalms pointing to a Judas figure persecuting the Messiah

Psalm 41 is quoted by Jesus in the last supper as Jesus washed the disciple's feet and they later broke bread together "The one I ate bread with lifted his heal against me". Jesus washed Judas feet and Judas planned on figuratively giving Jesus the boot with the foot that was washed as he ate the last supper.

Psalm 69 as quoted in Acts has 'his table became a snare' and the table of the Last Supper indeed became a snare for Judas as he betrayed Jesus.

Psalm 109 the Judas figure persecutes the poor man and God stands at the right hand of the poor man to help. Next scene in Psalm 110 there is a man called to sit at God's right hand on the order of Melchizedek.

It seems to have at least three Psalms concerning the betrayal seems significant, Psalms 109 and 110 even are prelude to the halal Passover Psalms and Jesus work on the cross makes him the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world

Does your world view have a similar Judas and Messiah figure or is it unique?
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
I have a 'Jesus', figure, however 'judas', is an obscure character that may or may not be meaningful.

It seems that satan entered judas, so that is a cautionary tale, of possession.
 
steveb1

steveb1

Member
whirlingmerc said:
There are at least three Psalms pointing to a Judas figure persecuting the Messiah

Psalm 41 is quoted by Jesus in the last supper as Jesus washed the disciple's feet and they later broke bread together "The one I ate bread with lifted his heal against me". Jesus washed Judas feet and Judas planned on figuratively giving Jesus the boot with the foot that was washed as he ate the last supper.

Psalm 69 as quoted in Acts has 'his table became a snare' and the table of the Last Supper indeed became a snare for Judas as he betrayed Jesus.

Psalm 109 the Judas figure persecutes the poor man and God stands at the right hand of the poor man to help. Next scene in Psalm 110 there is a man called to sit at God's right hand on the order of Melchizedek.

It seems to have at least three Psalms concerning the betrayal seems significant, Psalms 109 and 110 even are prelude to the halal Passover Psalms and Jesus work on the cross makes him the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world

Does your world view have a similar Judas and Messiah figure or is it unique?
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My religion = Jodo Shinshu/Shin Buddhism which presents a straight line of devotion to Amitabha Buddha from its Chinese beginnings to its current status as a world school of Buddhism, without any narratives about betrayal. But if memory serves, Theravada Buddhism and the Dhammapada do contain several anecdotes of people who obstructed and betrayed Shakyamuni/Siddhartha Gotama/Buddha.
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
When we talk about Hinduism, we talk about specific views. No. My view has no Judas because it is non-dual. But otherwise also,Hinduism does not have Judases.
 
Dawnofhope

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
whirlingmerc said:
There are at least three Psalms pointing to a Judas figure persecuting the Messiah

Psalm 41 is quoted by Jesus in the last supper as Jesus washed the disciple's feet and they later broke bread together "The one I ate bread with lifted his heal against me". Jesus washed Judas feet and Judas planned on figuratively giving Jesus the boot with the foot that was washed as he ate the last supper.

Psalm 69 as quoted in Acts has 'his table became a snare' and the table of the Last Supper indeed became a snare for Judas as he betrayed Jesus.

Psalm 109 the Judas figure persecutes the poor man and God stands at the right hand of the poor man to help. Next scene in Psalm 110 there is a man called to sit at God's right hand on the order of Melchizedek.

It seems to have at least three Psalms concerning the betrayal seems significant, Psalms 109 and 110 even are prelude to the halal Passover Psalms and Jesus work on the cross makes him the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world

Does your world view have a similar Judas and Messiah figure or is it unique?
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Yes

Subh-i-Azal - Wikipedia
 
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whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Desert Snake said:
I have a 'Jesus', figure, however 'judas', is an obscure character that may or may not be meaningful.

It seems that satan entered judas, so that is a cautionary tale, of possession.
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Psalm 109 'may an accuser be at his right hand' (Satan meaning accuser) also supports that
 
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whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
adrian009 said:
Yes

Subh-i-Azal - Wikipedia
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The most serious challenge to the authority of Subh-i-Azal came from Mirza Asad Allah Khu'i "Dayyán," whose activities incited him to write a lengthy refutation titled "Mustayqiz." The Hasht Bihisht refers to Dayyán as "the Judas Iscariot of his people." Following the Báb's death, Dayyán, who had a deep interest in the study of the occult in regards to such areas as alchemy and gematria, began to advance his own claims to be Him Whom God shall make manifest. MacEoin reports that Mirza Muhammad Mazandarani, a follower of Subh-i-Azal murdered Dayyan for his claims in response to an order by Subh-i-Azal for him to be killed.[20] Azali sources[21] state that Dayyan was killed on the orders of Baha'u'llah.[22]

In the Bible Judas hung himself here Dayyan was executed
Some analogy tho
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
whirlingmerc said:
There are at least three Psalms pointing to a Judas figure persecuting the Messiah

Psalm 41 is quoted by Jesus in the last supper as Jesus washed the disciple's feet and they later broke bread together "The one I ate bread with lifted his heal against me". Jesus washed Judas feet and Judas planned on figuratively giving Jesus the boot with the foot that was washed as he ate the last supper.

Psalm 69 as quoted in Acts has 'his table became a snare' and the table of the Last Supper indeed became a snare for Judas as he betrayed Jesus.

Psalm 109 the Judas figure persecutes the poor man and God stands at the right hand of the poor man to help. Next scene in Psalm 110 there is a man called to sit at God's right hand on the order of Melchizedek.

It seems to have at least three Psalms concerning the betrayal seems significant, Psalms 109 and 110 even are prelude to the halal Passover Psalms and Jesus work on the cross makes him the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world

Does your world view have a similar Judas and Messiah figure or is it unique?
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"Judas" in terms of someone who betrays God (or the gods) in a way that ultimately benefits mankind?

I'd say Prometheus fits that bill... though I generally see Adam as the Prometheus figure in the Abrahamic religions.
 
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