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Is sexuality a choice?

FirstandAmistad

FirstandAmistad

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Samana Johann said:
Oh you poor sex-slaves... forced by desire, who's?
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How condescending you are. I could just as easily say, "oh you poor slaves to doctrine that demands that you go against your own natures as humans." There has been ample scientific research to show that repressing one's sexuality is damaging. Our sexualities are core parts of our natures. Denying that aspect causes stress and harm to our psyches because it is unnatural to suppress one's sexuality. Even if you are asexual, in a world of sexuality, that still becomes part of your nature (speaking as one who is isn't asexual but experiences such limited sexual desire that I don't really care to pursue it very often).

Also, if you're a god, don't you have something better to do than worry about what goes on between two consenting adults? Like maybe helping the millions of starving, sick, and oppressed people. Malaria alone kills a child every 30 seconds on average. Several children have died of this horrible disease (and many more people of many other diseases) while I was typing this message. And yet the same religious folks who are so quick to condemn homosexuals are usually the same who turn a blind eye to all of the suffering in the world.

I choose to believe, that if there are gods, they aren't nearly stupid or petty enough to create humans with sexual desires that they find abhorrent. And if I'm wrong, well such gods aren't worthy of any reverence whatsoever.
 
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Samana Johann

Samana Johann

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Shadow Wolf said:
Oh you poor food slave, driven by hunger. You misguided water slave forever driven by thirst.
You tragic sleep slave driven by your biological clock and melatonin.
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Maybe tell them how to live simply on love and air... It's hopefully not serious and if much karuna, that's real tragical if such addicted. May you, by your wise choices, get healed soon with ease.
 
Samana Johann

Samana Johann

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FirstandAmistad said:
I choose to believe, that if there are gods, they aren't nearly stupid or petty enough to create humans with sexual desires that they find abhorrent. And if I'm wrong, well such gods aren't worthy of any reverence whatsoever.
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Most would blame whom ever for ones shortcomings and lack of effort to get ride of addictions, tendencies and desires.

How ever, "gods" have advices how one could: Overcome the lowest hindrance Sensual Desire
 
dianaiad

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
Dan Mellis said:
I'm interested to hear the views of those who think sexuality is a choice - specifically in response to these questions...

1: did you choose to be heterosexual?

2: could you choose to be homosexual? Remember, just choosing to have gay sex doesn't make you gay. You have to be attracted to the same sex. That's kind of how it works.

If you answered no to either of these, then sexuality isn't a choice. If sexuality isn't a choice, then in what world can anyone be justified in sending gay people to hell?

Another part of this topic is the whole HIV/Aids thing as a punishment. Why would an all powerful god create a pubishment for a specific group of people, that also harmed people outside of that group? Also, why would he bother? Surely he could just send em to hell when they're done, what difference does it make?

To me, its obvious that either God doesn't exist or he's a raging hateful buffoon... Imagine Hitler, but with an IQ of about 31.
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Seriously?

Is there something about being sexually attracted to one's own sex that somehow makes one a slave to one's impulses? Is there something about being 'gay' that takes one's free will away?

You know that MOST Christian religions (and most religions, period) do not send people to hell because of who they are attracted to. It's what they do about it that matters.

....and celibacy is celibacy, no matter what one is celibate FROM. Chastity is chastity, no matter what one is chaste FROM, and monogamy is monogamy, whether one's chosen spouse is one's same sex or the opposite one. Are you trying to hint that gay people are more weak willed and prone to stupidity than straight people are?

Because, sir, most Christian (and other) religions disapprove of all sex outside marriage vows...even those who accept gay marriage. BTW, there are quite a few who do, and they don't look any less askance at adultery outside such committed relationships than they do at heterosexual adultery. Or pre-marital sex.

....and what makes you think that STD's are "God's punishment" for anything? Yes, some religions think that such diseases are divine punishment. These religions also think that deaths as a result of hurricanes, earthquakes, volcanoes, tornadoes, wildfires and bad weather are also divine punishment. Most of us, however, don't. I would personally appreciate it if you would consider that MOST of us consider that such things (including STDS....) may be the natural consequences of human action, but 'consequences' are not 'divine punishment." They are simply...consequences.

Those people who are now living on the slopes of Mt. Vesuvius have to be aware that someday that volcano will erupt again. Not 'may' erupt again, WILL erupt again. When it does, a WHOLE bunch of people are going to die; more than were covered in Pompeii, by a million or so.

And some of YOU will start blaming God and calling Him names like the ones you have here. I don't get it. If you live on a volcano, you are likely to get erupted on. Not God's fault; that's what happens with volcanoes. If you live in New Orleans, and a hurricane hits, you will get floods. That's what hurricanes do. If you live where I do, you will get earthquakes. Not God's punishment...that's what happens when one lives on the San Andreas Fault.

These natural phenomena are what make this planet a good place to live. Every one of them produces things that make our lives better...including volcanoes. Just don't live on a volcano. Or if you do (because the wine grapes there are better than anywhere else) then don't go blaming GOD when your grapes are drowned by a pyroclastic mud flow.

Which gets us to sex. Sex is wonderful. It's fun, and it's good...but when one engages in it irresponsibly (such as pre-marital sex or adultery) KNOWING that those consequences for doing so exist, and CAN bite you, then who's fault is it? GOD"S????

Or ours? We know what can happen. We know the very most effective way to prevent it. If we don't employ that method, how is it God's fault when we end up with the consequences of our own freely chosen actions?
 
Samana Johann

Samana Johann

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Shadow Wolf said:
I'd rather be shot and killed than receive your emotion and life denying "healing." You can't live off love and air alone. Your mind will break down from a lack of sleep, you'll starve and your body will eat itself, and
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Sure, less would "die" for virtues, for liberation. If associate with losers it's clear that the most needed support to get ride of drugs is missing.
 
Dan Mellis

Dan Mellis

Thorsredballs
Samana Johann said:
Oh you poor sex-slaves... forced by desire, who's? As for rapes there are at least protective laws.

Maybe try to claim and blame a god, tv or your parents, neighbors or your objects... but again, ones choices are ones own. Good and bad like a like
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Again, make an argument for these choices being bad or leave. You don't get to claim gay sex is bad without making an argument for it.
 
Dan Mellis

Dan Mellis

Thorsredballs
dianaiad said:
Seriously?

Is there something about being sexually attracted to one's own sex that somehow makes one a slave to one's impulses? Is there something about being 'gay' that takes one's free will away?

You know that MOST Christian religions (and most religions, period) do not send people to hell because of who they are attracted to. It's what they do about it that matters.

....and celibacy is celibacy, no matter what one is celibate FROM. Chastity is chastity, no matter what one is chaste FROM, and monogamy is monogamy, whether one's chosen spouse is one's same sex or the opposite one. Are you trying to hint that gay people are more weak willed and prone to stupidity than straight people are?

Because, sir, most Christian (and other) religions disapprove of all sex outside marriage vows...even those who accept gay marriage. BTW, there are quite a few who do, and they don't look any less askance at adultery outside such committed relationships than they do at heterosexual adultery. Or pre-marital sex.

....and what makes you think that STD's are "God's punishment" for anything? Yes, some religions think that such diseases are divine punishment. These religions also think that deaths as a result of hurricanes, earthquakes, volcanoes, tornadoes, wildfires and bad weather are also divine punishment. Most of us, however, don't. I would personally appreciate it if you would consider that MOST of us consider that such things (including STDS....) may be the natural consequences of human action, but 'consequences' are not 'divine punishment." They are simply...consequences.

Those people who are now living on the slopes of Mt. Vesuvius have to be aware that someday that volcano will erupt again. Not 'may' erupt again, WILL erupt again. When it does, a WHOLE bunch of people are going to die; more than were covered in Pompeii, by a million or so.

And some of YOU will start blaming God and calling Him names like the ones you have here. I don't get it. If you live on a volcano, you are likely to get erupted on. Not God's fault; that's what happens with volcanoes. If you live in New Orleans, and a hurricane hits, you will get floods. That's what hurricanes do. If you live where I do, you will get earthquakes. Not God's punishment...that's what happens when one lives on the San Andreas Fault.

These natural phenomena are what make this planet a good place to live. Every one of them produces things that make our lives better...including volcanoes. Just don't live on a volcano. Or if you do (because the wine grapes there are better than anywhere else) then don't go blaming GOD when your grapes are drowned by a pyroclastic mud flow.

Which gets us to sex. Sex is wonderful. It's fun, and it's good...but when one engages in it irresponsibly (such as pre-marital sex or adultery) KNOWING that those consequences for doing so exist, and CAN bite you, then who's fault is it? GOD"S????

Or ours? We know what can happen. We know the very most effective way to prevent it. If we don't employ that method, how is it God's fault when we end up with the consequences of our own freely chosen actions?
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So if you were to read the thread I think you'd see that you've misunderstood most of this. Being gay doesn't make you a slave to anything, but you can't choose whether you're gay or not.

I've covered extramarital sex and irresponsible sex (different things) already, not gonna do it again.

Thirdly, I don't believe anything is God's punishment, because I don't believe a god exists. Certainly not as described in any text we have.

And finally, just to reiterate, you dont get to claim extramarital or premarital sex is irresponsible just because a book says so. I'm not married to my partner but we have a child together and choose to be monogamous. I know other couples who are married and choose not to be monogamous. They're happy with that lifestyle and are unharmed by it.
 
Samana Johann

Samana Johann

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Dan Mellis said:
Again, make an argument for these choices being bad or leave. You don't get to claim gay sex is bad without making an argument for it.
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It's possible not easy to trace where my person told that this or that sensual orientation is more unskilful then the otherother on an ideal level. Choosings for low sensual pleasures are always unskilful and do not lead to higher. The rest is a matter of harming by disgust and causing fear. Is eating, falling for worms ideal more worse than falling for vanilla ice.

But my person has of course also no problem to leave, Whether it's a matter of choice or not should be clear and if wishing to defend this or that incapability to a level of good or bad, also such is a matter of ones choices, even when stronly pressured inwardly.

Some more years others might be annoyed when animal releations are already public issues...
 
Dan Mellis

Dan Mellis

Thorsredballs
Samana Johann said:
It's possible not easy to trace where my person told that this or that sensual orientation is more unskilful then the otherother on an ideal level. Choosings for low sensual pleasures are always unskilful and do not lead to higher. The rest is a matter of harming by disgust and causing fear. Is eating, falling for worms ideal more worse than falling for vanilla ice.

But my person has of course also no problem to leave, Whether it's a matter of choice or not should be clear and if wishing to defend this or that incapability to a level of good or bad, also such is a matter of ones choices, even when stronly pressured inwardly.

Some more years others might be annoyed when animal releations are already public issues...
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I'm really struggling to follow, I apologise. I'll list the points you made as I understand them but if I have them wrong please clarify...

1: you believe that homosexual sex is a choice (which i also believe) and that it is harmful and disgusting (it is not harmful, and disgusting is a subjective term)

2: homosexuality isn't a choice in itself, so you should choose to be celibate if you are homosexual

3: I really hope I'm wrong about this but you seemed to compare homosexuality with bestiality. If this is the case, I won't be engaging with you any further as this is dishonesty. We're talking about consentual sex between two adults. There is no comparison to be made here.
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Dan Mellis said:
I'm interested to hear the views of those who think sexuality is a choice - specifically in response to these questions...

1: did you choose to be heterosexual?

2: could you choose to be homosexual? Remember, just choosing to have gay sex doesn't make you gay. You have to be attracted to the same sex. That's kind of how it works.

If you answered no to either of these, then sexuality isn't a choice. If sexuality isn't a choice, then in what world can anyone be justified in sending gay people to hell?

Another part of this topic is the whole HIV/Aids thing as a punishment. Why would an all powerful god create a pubishment for a specific group of people, that also harmed people outside of that group? Also, why would he bother? Surely he could just send em to hell when they're done, what difference does it make?

To me, its obvious that either God doesn't exist or he's a raging hateful buffoon... Imagine Hitler, but with an IQ of about 31.
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This really makes me question of who really has the IQ of about 31
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Dan Mellis said:
1: you believe that homosexual sex is a choice (which i also believe) and that it is harmful ... ... (it is not harmful,...)
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Anal intercourse also puts men at significant risk for anal cancer. Anal cancer is the result of infection with some subtypes of human papilloma virus (HPV), which are known viral carcinogens. Data as of 1989 showed the rates of anal cancer in male homosexual practitioners to be 10 times that of heterosexual males, and growing. 30 Thus, the prevalence of anal cancer among gay men is of great concern. For those with AIDS, the rates are doubled.14

Other physical problems associated with anal intercourse are:

hemorrhoids
anal fissures
anorectal trauma
retained foreign bodies.15

[14] James Goedert, et al., for the AIDS-Cancer Match Study Group, “Spectrum of AIDS-associated malignant disorders,” The Lancet, 351: 1833-1839, p. 1836 (June 20, 1998).
[15] http://lgbthealth.healthcommunities.com/analhealth/index.shtml

Makes me wonder who has the IQ of about 31.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Dan Mellis said:
I'm interested to hear the views of those who think sexuality is a choice - specifically in response to these questions...

1: did you choose to be heterosexual?

2: could you choose to be homosexual? Remember, just choosing to have gay sex doesn't make you gay. You have to be attracted to the same sex. That's kind of how it works.

If you answered no to either of these, then sexuality isn't a choice. If sexuality isn't a choice, then in what world can anyone be justified in sending gay people to hell?

Another part of this topic is the whole HIV/Aids thing as a punishment. Why would an all powerful god create a pubishment for a specific group of people, that also harmed people outside of that group? Also, why would he bother? Surely he could just send em to hell when they're done, what difference does it make?

To me, its obvious that either God doesn't exist or he's a raging hateful buffoon... Imagine Hitler, but with an IQ of about 31.
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Which scripture told you that AIDS is a punishment? I ask this because you made god an animal, hitler, with an IQ of about 31!
 
Samael_Khan

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
This is a super complicated issue that has to do with psychology, as what one likes sexually has been proven to change according to past experiences, such as escalation with regards to watching pornography.

I do believe that some people are born being homosexual as i had a friend was evidently gay from childhood. I also know someone who admitted to choosing to be lesbian as no men liked her.

Also, sexual abuse has been shown tp change a persons sexual orientation. Someone who has been sexually abused by someone from the same sex has a chance of changing sexual orientation because of the trauma.

I also think that homosexuality is a psychological or genetic disorder as the sexual orientation conflicts with what their body was "designed" for.
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
you have not disputed anything that I have quoted.

You DO believe in science, don't you?
 
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Dan Mellis

Dan Mellis

Thorsredballs
firedragon said:
Which scripture told you that AIDS is a punishment? I ask this because you made god an animal, hitler, with an IQ of about 31!
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Scripture tells me nothing. Fundamentalist Christians have, however, claimed AIDS as divine retribution on multiple occasions.
 
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