God's Position On Homosexual Sex

Evangelicalhumanist · Jun 28, 2019

Darkforbid said:
Is it really, pollution, deforestation, environmental destruction, ore extraction, oil drilling, war (not including early tribal war) well I could go on all day but you get the point (though I'm starting doubt, you will)

I also assumed you most probably know about 'the human impact on the natural environment'. Wrong. You think everything man does is natural

I think you can make an argument that all of those things are "natural," if you begin by positing that the evolution of humans was natural. Lot's of natural things make environmental and other changes quite naturally. Beaver's drown forests, leading eventually to things like spruce bogs. Various insects and birds bore holes in trees, often killing them. Taking what you need from your environment is what every living thing does, and humans are no different...only more creative about it.

But our creativity and our intelligence...both also natural...make it at least possible that we might see what we are doing, and modify our own behaviours accordingly for the purpose of prolonging our ability to depend on our environment.

Dan From Smithville · Jun 28, 2019

Skwim said:
Then YOU start posting some threads of interest. At least I'm trying to keep RF alive here.

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Maybe he is upset that you have only posted half as much stuff about sex. Sure looks like you have your own groupie there.

Maybe he could post some stuff about the prosperity doctrine and how God wants rich people to be rich and poor people are poor because they just do not have enough faith.

Dan From Smithville · Jun 28, 2019

Evangelicalhumanist said:
I think you can make an argument that all of those things are "natural," if you begin by positing that the evolution of humans was natural. Lot's of natural things make environmental and other changes quite naturally. Beaver's drown forests, leading eventually to things like spruce bogs. Various insects and birds bore holes in trees, often killing them. Taking what you need from your environment is what every living thing does, and humans are no different...only more creative about it.

But our creativity and our intelligence...both also natural...make it at least possible that we might see what we are doing, and modify our own behaviours accordingly for the purpose of prolonging our ability to depend on our environment.

I have read variations of that very argument.

Evangelicalhumanist · Jun 28, 2019

BilliardsBall said:
One issue--your claim that a homosexual goes to Hell because they have sex and can go to Heaven by being abstinent. Again, if you would be so gentlemanly as to refrain from commenting when you don't know Bible 101 about the issue.

Or perhaps if you are so knowledgeable about those things, perhaps you might be gentlemanly enough to elaborate, for all of our edification.

Evangelicalhumanist · Jun 28, 2019

shmogie said:
Of course you are a sinner. Sin is just the word used to identify the fact that none of us, are perfect by Gods standard in thought of deed. Your usual human mistakes are most likely sins.

Christians don´t wallow in anything, nor do we make excuses for our failings, as some do.

I certainly can imagine that you would not relish being part of of the Church, since accountability for behaviors is required.

So be happy, associate with whomever you choose, itś your life

You know, there's an undercurrent of ugliness in many of your posts. For example, you insinuation (which is definitely there) that I may make excuses for my failings, and that I don't hold myself accountable for my actions. You are entirely incorrect on both counts.

And yes, it is my life, and I will live it as I choose to, not according to ancient myth and ignorance.

Kenny · Jun 28, 2019

Evangelicalhumanist said:
Have you counted the number of anti-Muslim or anti-atheist or anti-gay posts? Do you think that sex is a less important topic than, say, beer, or keeping pet fish? Or is it something that, because it matters a very great deal to people, really ought to be talked about? Possibly even with a degree of openness and intelligence?

Did I say something that bothered you?

Skwim · Jun 28, 2019

Road Warrior said:
I give up. Why do atheists think God created evil?

First a minor correction: not "created," but "creates." And the question isn't why they would think he's responsible, but why he does so. His reason for creating evil.

In any case, as to your question here. "Why do atheists think God created evil?"

I don't know about atheists, but going by what the god of Abraham has said about himself in the Bible in Isaiah 45:7, and taking him at his word,

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

I think it's a reasonable conclusion: God himself told us so. "I the Lord do all these things."

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Darkforbid · Jun 28, 2019

Evangelicalhumanist said:
I think you can make an argument that all of those things are "natural," if you begin by positing that the evolution of humans was natural. Lot's of natural things make environmental and other changes quite naturally. Beaver's drown forests, leading eventually to things like spruce bogs. Various insects and birds bore holes in trees, often killing them. Taking what you need from your environment is what every living thing does, and humans are no different...only more creative about it.

But our creativity and our intelligence...both also natural...make it at least possible that we might see what we are doing, and modify our own behaviours accordingly for the purpose of prolonging our ability to depend on our environment.

You say that but if you paid for then turned on the the nature channel and it was showing Tank Warfare or Open Cast Tin Mining you'd want your money back

Darkforbid · Jun 28, 2019

KenS said:
Did I say something that bothered you?

Look counterholic. No one will take you seriously untill your addiction under control

Kenny · Jun 28, 2019

Skwim said:
Don't know about atheists, but going by what the god of Abraham has said about himself in the Bible in Isaiah 45:7, and taking him at his word,

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

I think it's a reasonable conclusion.

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Coming from someone who absolutely knows nothing substantial about the Bible and has a broken record that repeats itself even when it is answered.

Kenny · Jun 28, 2019

Darkforbid said:
Look counterholic. No one will take you seriously untill your addiction under control

Your approach is quite interesting and different than the normal read.

You have my brain churning and I thank you.

PS On a side note, I'm not sure I would want to tangle with you in a debate.

(that's a complement)

Evangelicalhumanist · Jun 28, 2019

sojourner said:
The DSM is such proof.

Nor were earlier versions of the DSM claiming that homosexuality WAS a disorder, as @shmogie claims. I assure you, that won't stop him claiming it was true.

Evangelicalhumanist · Jun 28, 2019

Road Warrior said:
I give up. Why do atheists think God created evil?

And why do Christians think he didn't?

2 Kings 6:33
And while he yet talked with them, behold, the messenger came down unto him: and he said, Behold, this evil [is] of the LORD; what should I wait for the LORD any longer?

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

Job 2:10
But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Lamentations 3:38
Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

Amos 3:6
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done [it]?

Skwim · Jun 28, 2019

KenS said:
Coming from someone who absolutely knows nothing substantial about the Bible and has a broken record that repeats itself even when it is answered.

Kind of sticks in your craw, does it. I guess if I had to believe in a merciful, loving, and benevolent god this little reminder of his other side would bother me too. But you know what, trying to denigrate my knowledge of the Bible and your beliefs doesn't change what the Bible says one wit.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

still stands.

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Kenny · Jun 28, 2019

Skwim said:
Kind of sticks in your craw, does it. I guess if I had to believe in a merciful, loving, and benevolent god this little reminder of his other side would bother me too. But you know what, trying to denigrate my knowledge of the Bible and your beliefs doesn't change what the Bible says one wit.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

still stands.

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HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

judging by your posts, its YOUR craw that is having the problem

PS... did you want me to explain it to you again? I know that repetition, for some, is the best modem of learning

Evangelicalhumanist · Jun 28, 2019

Darkforbid said:
You say that but if you paid for then turned on the the nature channel and it was showing Tank Warfare or Open Cast Tin Mining you'd want your money back

I also visited the Art Gallery of Ontario recently to see a show called Anthropocene, which was deeply disturbing. But that does not change the fact that we are naturally as destructive and as a creative as we are.

Evangelicalhumanist · Jun 28, 2019

KenS said:
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

judging by your posts, its YOUR craw that is having the problem

PS... did you want me to explain it to you again? I know that repetition, for some, is the best modem of learning

KenS said:
Coming from someone who absolutely knows nothing substantial about the Bible and has a broken record that repeats itself even when it is answered.

No, Ken, your own response to his post makes it quite plain who has the problem.

Kenny · Jun 28, 2019

Evangelicalhumanist said:
No, Ken, your own response to his post makes it quite plain who has the problem.

if you say so, it must be true.

Yet, "Anti-atheist threads posted by Ken"? 0 -
"Anti-christian posts by Skwin?" - still counting.

Somehow the empirical and verifiable evidence is on my side

You do believe in statistics, right?

Evangelicalhumanist · Jun 28, 2019

KenS said:
if you say so, it must be true.

Yet, "Anti-atheist threads posted by Ken"? 0 -
"Anti-christian posts by Skwin?" - still counting.

Somehow the empirical and verifiable evidence is on my side You do believe in statistics, right?

Statistics aren't personal, Ken. And good statistics are the farthest thing from personal. So counting only what you and @Skwim fling at each other is more war journalism than statistics.

Kenny · Jun 28, 2019

Evangelicalhumanist said:
Statistics aren't personal, Ken. And good statistics are the farthest thing from personal. So counting only what you and @Skwim fling at each other is more war journalism than statistics.

(translation) Ok... I guess that means that I was correct on how many anti-atheist thread I have made vs. Skwim anti-Christian.

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