questfortruth
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Argument 1
Big Bang is disproved here: P. Herouni, Measured Parameters of Large Antenna of ROT-54/2.6 Tell about Absence of Big Bang Journal of Astrophysics: Reports. -- National Academy of Sciences of Armenia 2007, v. 107, no. 1. 73--78; P.M. Robitaille, The Planck Satellite LFI and the Microwave Background: Importance of the 4 K Reference Targets, Progr. Phys. 2010, v. 6, no. 3, 11--18; P.M. Robitaille, Water, Hydrogen Bonding and the Microwave Background, Progr. Phys. 2009, v. 5, no. 2,
L5--L8; P.M. Robitaille, COBE: A Radiological Analysis, Progr. Phys. 2009, v. 5, no. 4, 17--42; P.M. Robitaille, WMAP: A Radiological Analysis, Progr. Phys. 2007, v. 3, no. 1, 3--18. Popular story in ``The Herouni Antenna – The Death of Big Bang''
Indeed, when Cosmic Microwave Background's light was connected to matter (Universe "Dark Ages"), so there was no light prior to CMB release. If there was no light to release, then what was released then? There is always matter in Universe, why then the CMB release short period of time was so special? Was there special expansion or what?
Argument 2
The red-shift of galaxies can be attributed to the departure (from Earth) speed. Then the Earth is truly the symmetric center of Universe. That speed is not caused by expansion of spacetime, but by inertia law: very first law of Newton mechanics. Then the following math is true:
scientific word for Biblical Firmament in Genesis 1:7. Universe in Nutshell
DISCUSSION
He:
Sure, all the scientists and mathematicians are wrong, you with your Youtube clips and garbled semi-scientific terminology are correct.
Me:
It is simply reduculous! Nobody can debunk a paper by simply:
1. trolling it,
2. Presumption of Guilt,
3. Burden of proof (there is no talks of burdens for a truth-seeker),
4. appeal to authority (appeal to impact factor of the paper journal), because it is the Fallacy of Authority.
He:
Wrong. There was light before, but it strongly interacted with the matter, which meant it could travel freely. When the decoupling with matter occurred, the light could then move freely.
Me:
Man, the matter is always in Universe, thus light is always more or less interacting with matter. What is special at the single moment of CMB release?
He:
The temperature of the matter decreased to the point it became transparent. And it wasn't a single moment.It lasted probably a few thousand years, but that is a short time on a cosmic scale.
Me:
So, there was no light prior to light release?
He:
The expansion had to go large enough, to reduce the density of the energy, such that it became possible for matter to ``condense" or form from the energy. This initial formation of matter, is what created the initial burst of microwave radiation.
Me:
But the Grand Unified Theory (Strong+Electroweak forces) is not discovered. How then the CMB possible?!
He:
You are missing the point. Until the universe cooked sufficiently, and electrons were associated with specific atoms, the universe was effectively opaque. Yes, there was light but it could only travel very short distances. As it continued to expand it cooled to the point where electrons could permanently combine with atomic nuclei. When that happened the universe became transparent.
Me:
So, prior to CMB release the electrons were inside the atoms or maximum close to atoms, so the photons were unable to pass through? That means, that prior to CMB release the Universe was a gigantic neutron star? By the way, what about Pauli rule, that does not allow two electrons to be at same state? Talking about fairytale:
LITERATURE:
A. ``Big Bang Abandoned in New Model of the Universe'' July 27, 2010 The Geometry of the Universe
Big Bang Abandoned in New Model of the Universe
B. Thomas Van Flandern, ``The Top 30 Problems with the Big Bang Theory'', Meta Research Bulletin 11, 6--13 (2002)
The Top 30 Problems with the Big Bang Theory by Tom Van Flandern
http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V09NO2PDF/V09N2tvf.PDF
Big Bang is disproved here: P. Herouni, Measured Parameters of Large Antenna of ROT-54/2.6 Tell about Absence of Big Bang Journal of Astrophysics: Reports. -- National Academy of Sciences of Armenia 2007, v. 107, no. 1. 73--78; P.M. Robitaille, The Planck Satellite LFI and the Microwave Background: Importance of the 4 K Reference Targets, Progr. Phys. 2010, v. 6, no. 3, 11--18; P.M. Robitaille, Water, Hydrogen Bonding and the Microwave Background, Progr. Phys. 2009, v. 5, no. 2,
L5--L8; P.M. Robitaille, COBE: A Radiological Analysis, Progr. Phys. 2009, v. 5, no. 4, 17--42; P.M. Robitaille, WMAP: A Radiological Analysis, Progr. Phys. 2007, v. 3, no. 1, 3--18. Popular story in ``The Herouni Antenna – The Death of Big Bang''
Indeed, when Cosmic Microwave Background's light was connected to matter (Universe "Dark Ages"), so there was no light prior to CMB release. If there was no light to release, then what was released then? There is always matter in Universe, why then the CMB release short period of time was so special? Was there special expansion or what?
Argument 2
The red-shift of galaxies can be attributed to the departure (from Earth) speed. Then the Earth is truly the symmetric center of Universe. That speed is not caused by expansion of spacetime, but by inertia law: very first law of Newton mechanics. Then the following math is true:
scientific word for Biblical Firmament in Genesis 1:7. Universe in Nutshell
DISCUSSION
He:
Sure, all the scientists and mathematicians are wrong, you with your Youtube clips and garbled semi-scientific terminology are correct.
Me:
It is simply reduculous! Nobody can debunk a paper by simply:
1. trolling it,
2. Presumption of Guilt,
3. Burden of proof (there is no talks of burdens for a truth-seeker),
4. appeal to authority (appeal to impact factor of the paper journal), because it is the Fallacy of Authority.
He:
Wrong. There was light before, but it strongly interacted with the matter, which meant it could travel freely. When the decoupling with matter occurred, the light could then move freely.
Me:
Man, the matter is always in Universe, thus light is always more or less interacting with matter. What is special at the single moment of CMB release?
He:
The temperature of the matter decreased to the point it became transparent. And it wasn't a single moment.It lasted probably a few thousand years, but that is a short time on a cosmic scale.
Me:
So, there was no light prior to light release?
He:
The expansion had to go large enough, to reduce the density of the energy, such that it became possible for matter to ``condense" or form from the energy. This initial formation of matter, is what created the initial burst of microwave radiation.
Me:
But the Grand Unified Theory (Strong+Electroweak forces) is not discovered. How then the CMB possible?!
He:
You are missing the point. Until the universe cooked sufficiently, and electrons were associated with specific atoms, the universe was effectively opaque. Yes, there was light but it could only travel very short distances. As it continued to expand it cooled to the point where electrons could permanently combine with atomic nuclei. When that happened the universe became transparent.
Me:
So, prior to CMB release the electrons were inside the atoms or maximum close to atoms, so the photons were unable to pass through? That means, that prior to CMB release the Universe was a gigantic neutron star? By the way, what about Pauli rule, that does not allow two electrons to be at same state? Talking about fairytale:
LITERATURE:
A. ``Big Bang Abandoned in New Model of the Universe'' July 27, 2010 The Geometry of the Universe
Big Bang Abandoned in New Model of the Universe
B. Thomas Van Flandern, ``The Top 30 Problems with the Big Bang Theory'', Meta Research Bulletin 11, 6--13 (2002)
The Top 30 Problems with the Big Bang Theory by Tom Van Flandern
http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V09NO2PDF/V09N2tvf.PDF
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