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Please debunk the main two arguments against Big Bang:

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Light was not able to travel very far before being absorbed reemitted. That means that one could not see an object because the light would be quickly scattered. The universe was opaque.
But there is always matter in Universe, why then the CMB release short period of time was so special? Was there special expansion or what?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
But there is always matter in Universe, why then the CMB release short period of time was so special? Was there special expansion or what?
You are missing the point. Until the universe cooked sufficiently, and electrons were associated with specific atoms, the universe was effectively opaque. Yes, there was light but it could only travel very short distances. As it continued to expand it cooled to the point where electrons could permanently combine with atomic nuclei. When that happened the universe became transparent.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
You are missing the point. Until the universe cooked sufficiently, and electrons were associated with specific atoms, the universe was effectively opaque. Yes, there was light but it could only travel very short distances. As it continued to expand it cooled to the point where electrons could permanently combine with atomic nuclei. When that happened the universe became transparent.
So, prior to CMB release the electrons were inside the atoms or maximum close to atoms, so the photons were unable to pass through? That means, that prior to CMB release the Universe was a gigantic neutron star?
By the way, what about Pauli rule, that does not allow two electrons to be at same state? Talking about fairytale:

 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
So, prior to CMB release the electrons were inside the atoms or maximum close to atoms, so the photons were unable to pass through? That means, that prior to CMB release the Universe was a gigantic neutron star?
By the way, what about Pauli rule, that does not allow two electrons to be at same state? Talking about fairytale:

There was no "inside the atoms". It was a plasma universe. Free electrons and bare protons mostly.

and no, a neutron star is made up of neutrons. It is quite the opposite.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
So, there was no light prior to light release?

I did not say that. There *was* light (photons) before that. But it didn't travel large distances because it was interacting with the matter. Once the matter cooled, it became transparent and the light could go large distances.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
So, prior to CMB release the electrons were inside the atoms or maximum close to atoms, so the photons were unable to pass through? That means, that prior to CMB release the Universe was a gigantic neutron star?

No, that is not what a neutron star is. Not sure why you would think it is.

By the way, what about Pauli rule, that does not allow two electrons to be at same state?

Why would you think the electrons are in the same state?
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
But there is always matter in Universe, why then the CMB release short period of time was so special? Was there special expansion or what?

When matter is too hot, the atoms collide with more force, knocking the electrons off, which forms a plasma. Such plasmas are opaque to light. When the universe had expanded enough, it had also cooled to the point that the atoms were not energetic enough to knock the electrons off. That made the matter transparent.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
There is a healthy skepticism that evaluates things
There is an unhealthy cynicism... not the same

And then? There is near-mindless gullibility, which is what is required to believe what others claim, who present said claims devoid of a single iota of reason or fact.

gullibility test.jpg
 
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