whirlingmerc
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The Biblical word translated sorcery is related to the use of drugs 'pharmekeo' and so... I'm not seeing Biblical support for a drug induced altered state of conciiousness
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Question about hallucinatory substance.
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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The Biblical word translated sorcery is related to the use of drugs 'pharmekeo' and so... I'm not seeing Biblical support for a drug induced altered state of conciiousness
Psalms 119:83 For I am become like a bottle in the smoke; yet do I not forget thy statutes.
Exodus 30:23-25 Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of Kaneh Bosem two hundred and fifty shekels, (24) And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin: (25) And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil.
In my opinion.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
Interesting that you say that with such authority, yet in your OP you state that you've never actually tried any hallucinogenics. So you are making this claim while being completely ignorant about the effectiveness of one of the proposed methods.
I really don't know what you mean when you say 'life has no shortcuts'. Or that 'there are no shortcuts to the real truth within meditation'. I already provided an example of a 'shortcut in life' when it comes to solving complex mathematical problems.
You sound like someone who has only ever used an abacus stating that even though a computer may be faster at getting the answers, that a computer is not nearly as accurate as an abacus. Of course the abacus user would be absolutely wrong, since not only are computers faster at solving complex mathematical problems, computers are also far more accurate. For all you know IF you were to try certain hallucinogenics you just might discover insights that it would require another entire lifetime of meditation to comprehend.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Well my best friend here i live is a former addict to mostly every drug he could get his hand on, And we have had hours of discussion about the effect and the sight he had. And when we compared it to what i can experience within meditation he found that what drugs did to his mind was disruptive but to his life and his mind. Compard to meditation that actually give a lot of energy and happiness.
So even i personally have not taken any drugs i do have my sourses to make a valid understanding of it.
When i say life has no shortcuts it means that if you try to make shortcut in the way to get wisdom that will not be successful. When taking time to cultivate the mind in the way one do in meditation the understanding of what is seen and experienced will be closer to the truth because nothing is cluttered by a substance taken.
When it comes to mathematical probles it is not of any interest to me because i dont live a life where i need it.
Since when is sorcery condemned in the Bible? The OT has magic spells and divination throughout it.
I'm sure he was on much more than just weed if he's being sincere. Or he's one of those rare people who flips out on it or whatever.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
He hused what was to get hold on, but he started on what you call weed, and could tell a lot about how it affected him.
One person's anecdotes aren't a very good source of information about this topic.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I give up,
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
Well my best friend here i live is a former addict to mostly every drug he could get his hand on...
Really, you think that a former addict who took whatever drugs he could get his hands on is a reasonable subject to use to determine the effectiveness of a few specific hallucinogenic substances? That's like claiming that medical findings that indicate drinking a glass a red wine each day has significant health benefits by say: "Well, I knew a guy who drank any type of alcohol he could get his hands on to excess, and HE certainly didn't receive any benefits to his health, in fact it nearly killed him!" That would be a pretty moronic claim on my part, wouldn't it? In order to make a reasonable conclusion about the effectiveness of a single glass of red wine per day would be to talk to people who ONLY drink a single glass of red wine per day.
When it comes to mathematical probles it is not of any interest to me because i dont live a life where i need it.
Fine, but you really don't need to live a life where you need math in order to comprehend a simple analogy that mentions math. It's really very basic. YOU seeking knowledge strictly through meditation is JUST LIKE the man who seeks mathematical answer strictly with his abacus. A computer calculating a math problem is a TOOL one can use as a SHORT CUT to getting mathematical answers both faster and more accurately. Certain hallucinogenic substances if used properly can be a tool one can use as a short-cut to getting insights both faster and more accurately.
You are like the abacus user insisting that a computer can't be as accurate as his abacus, when he's never even used a computer and is speaking from complete ignorance on the subject.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Maybe this will help: www.erowid.com
Electra
Active Member
It can be more effective.
You must have already done a lot of 'work' beforehand and afterwards, otherwise it is pretty pointless.
I don't really understand the stigma in using such substances. To be honest i personally feel like some people feel a 'superiority complex' when they think 'medicines' are a easy way.
To me it's like when you ride a bike, you change the gears. It makes it 'easier' to go up a hill but that doesn't make it any less than? Or that you can stop peddling.
Yes, i have seen many want medicines as a form of escape but even forcing yourself to meditate can be an escape. Anything csn be a hinderance to progress
You must have already done a lot of 'work' beforehand and afterwards, otherwise it is pretty pointless.
I don't really understand the stigma in using such substances. To be honest i personally feel like some people feel a 'superiority complex' when they think 'medicines' are a easy way.
To me it's like when you ride a bike, you change the gears. It makes it 'easier' to go up a hill but that doesn't make it any less than? Or that you can stop peddling.
Yes, i have seen many want medicines as a form of escape but even forcing yourself to meditate can be an escape. Anything csn be a hinderance to progress
Thief
Rogue Theologian
for clarity....
you dream because your body chemistry allows it to happen
drugs allow your dream state to enter your awareness when awake
even a slight imbalance of nature can cause you to see and hear what is not there
meditation is altogether something else
( if you have learned to dream while sitting up.....good for you)