Trailblazer
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Because He does not talk to me.
I have to make my own decisions.
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I have some deep question about God, help!
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I have to make my own decisions.
Trailblazer
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Why would I want to go backwards in time?
Besides, I see no reason why I cannot believe that both are true.
Maximilian
Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
You can't study the Bible to learn all about Christ?
Maximilian
Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
Without actually studying the Bible how do you know Baha'i's claim to be its derivative is really true?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
How would that help me make my decisions?
Maximilian
Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
Well, you can keep trying and failing to reinvent the proverbial wheel or you can learn from your Creator how it's supposed to be done, up to you:
"I, Jehovah, am your God,
The One teaching you to benefit yourself,
The One guiding you in the way you should walk.
If only you would pay attention to my commandments!
Then your peace would become just like a river
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea." -Isaiah 48:17, 18
The One teaching you to benefit yourself,
The One guiding you in the way you should walk.
If only you would pay attention to my commandments!
Then your peace would become just like a river
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea." -Isaiah 48:17, 18
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
The Baha'i Faith is not the Bible's derivative.
The Baha'i Faith is a Revelation from God through Baha'u'llah and it stands on its own merit.
The Bible is not the only Word of God.
There were Messengers of God before the Bible ever existed and there were Messengers of God who are not recorded in the Bible.
The Bible is the Word of God but the religious dispensation of Jesus Christ has been unconditionally abrogated by the Revelation of Baha'u'llah:
“In conclusion of this theme, I feel, it should be stated that the Revelation identified with Bahá’u’lláh abrogates unconditionally all the Dispensations gone before it, upholds uncompromisingly the eternal verities they enshrine, recognizes firmly and absolutely the Divine origin of their Authors, preserves inviolate the sanctity of their authentic Scriptures, disclaims any intention of lowering the status of their Founders or of abating the spiritual ideals they inculcate, clarifies and correlates their functions, reaffirms their common, their unchangeable and fundamental purpose, reconciles their seemingly divergent claims and doctrines, readily and gratefully recognizes their respective contributions to the gradual unfoldment of one Divine Revelation, unhesitatingly acknowledges itself to be but one link in the chain of continually progressive Revelations, supplements their teachings with such laws and ordinances as conform to the imperative needs, and are dictated by the growing receptivity, of a fast evolving and constantly changing society, and proclaims its readiness and ability to fuse and incorporate the contending sects and factions into which they have fallen into a universal Fellowship, functioning within the framework, and in accordance with the precepts, of a divinely conceived, a world-unifying, a world-redeeming Order.” God Passes By, p. 100
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I could get the same teachings by reading what Baha'u'llah wrote but that is not going to tell me how to manage my daily problems. I have to make my own decisions.
God does not speak to anyone directly or through the Holy Spirit living inside of them telling them things like when to rent their house. It is superstitious beliefs like this that are responsible for the rise in atheism.
Maximilian
Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
From my in-depth studies of the Holy Bible throughout all these decades I can know with absolute certainty that this is completely mendacious.
If ever you decide to study God's Word objectively you'll come to the exact same conclusion too.
Maximilian
Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
And yet God's holy spirit guides me every single day. So much so that I could not have survived any of the life threatening challenges I've been forced to go through without it. (Isaiah 30:21; Psalm 25:8, 9)
Why can't you hear God?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I never said the Bible wasn't true, but that does not address the fact that the Dispensation of Jesus Christ has been unconditionally abrogated by the Revelation of Baha'u'llah.
The Writings of Baha'u'llah are the inerrant Word of God and they are what God wants humanity to adhere to in this new age. Even if the Bible itself has not been corrupted the religions of the past have been corrupted by men. Those religions are no longer viable and they cannot be brought back to life.
“This is the Day when the loved ones of God should keep their eyes directed towards His Manifestation, and fasten them upon whatsoever that Manifestation may be pleased to reveal. Certain traditions of bygone ages rest on no foundations whatever, while the notions entertained by past generations, and which they have recorded in their books, have, for the most part, been influenced by the desires of a corrupt inclination. Thou dost witness how most of the commentaries and interpretations of the words of God, now current amongst men, are devoid of truth. Their falsity hath, in some cases, been exposed when the intervening veils were rent asunder. They themselves have acknowledged their failure in apprehending the meaning of any of the words of God.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 171-172
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
You can believe anything you want to, but that does not make it true.
All Christians say that the Holy Spirit talks to them but they all get different messages that contradict each other.
Explain why the Holy Spirit says different things to different Christians. Does God contradict Himself?
I cannot hear God because God does not talk. With all due respect, this is one of the more superstitious Christian beliefs. God might guide us in unseen ways but there is no way to prove God does anything because the actions of God are completely UNKNOWABLE.
If the Holy spirit was really guiding Christians, they would know that Baha'u'llah was the return of Christ. That is how I know it isn't guiding them...
Do you even understand the repercussions of rejecting a Manifestation of God, the return of Christ? It is no different from rejecting God Himself, as well as rejecting Jesus.
“O people, if ye deny these verses, by what proof have ye believed in God? Produce it, O assemblage of false ones.
Nay, by the One in Whose hand is my soul, they are not, and never shall be able to do this, even should they combine to assist one another...............
Thus have their superstitions become veils between them and their own hearts and kept them from the path of God, the Exalted, the Great.
Be thou assured in thyself that verily, he who turns away from this Beauty hath also turned away from the Messengers of the past and showeth pride towards God from all eternity to all eternity.”
Bahá’u’lláh, Tablet of Ahmad
Nay, by the One in Whose hand is my soul, they are not, and never shall be able to do this, even should they combine to assist one another...............
Thus have their superstitions become veils between them and their own hearts and kept them from the path of God, the Exalted, the Great.
Be thou assured in thyself that verily, he who turns away from this Beauty hath also turned away from the Messengers of the past and showeth pride towards God from all eternity to all eternity.”
Bahá’u’lláh, Tablet of Ahmad
Maximilian
Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
And if the Bible is true then Baha'i must be false.
This is not what you want to hear, I know, but it is the truth and what could possibly be more important or more valuable than the truth?
Maximilian
Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
How do you mean? Can you present some examples of this supposed contradiction?
Maximilian
Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
Do you understand the repercussions of following false Christs?
We Never Know
No Slack
Maximilian
Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
"Close friendship with Jehovah belongs to those who fear him,
And he makes his covenant known to them." -Psalm 25:14
"A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John." -Revelation 1:1
"For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing
Unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets." -Amos 3:7
On the other hand, Jehovah hides his truth from the eyes of those who are stubborn or rebellious, letting “their eyes become darkened.” (Romans 11:8-10; Luke 19:42) “They have [literal] eyes, but they cannot see [spiritually].”—Jeremiah 5:21; Isaiah 59:10.
For such God's actions are unknowable . . .
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
You are absolutely wrong about that. More correctly, if the Christian interpretation of the Bible is true, then Baha'i must be false. But is the Bahai interpretation of the Bible is true, then both the Bible and the Baha'i Faith can be true. This is what all the evidence indicates.
Christianity if wrong and the Bahai Faith is right. This is not what you want to hear, I know, but it is the truth and what could possibly be more important or more valuable than the truth?
You can cling to Christianity until your dying day and even afterwards, but it will still not be any more true than it is today. The Bible is true, but the Christians have terribly misconstrued the Bible and created false doctrines. The leaders of the Church were thus the false prophets Jesus spoke of
Christ and Baha'u'llah, Chapter Four: THE FALSE PROPHETS
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I think you already know that JWs do not believe the same as Catholics or Mormons, yet all say that the Holy Spirit has revealed "the truth" to them. How is that possible, if they all believe something different?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Do you understand the repercussions of turning away from Christ when He returns?