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2 Corinthians 4:4, satan is the g- d of this world, jesus is what again?
- Thread starter Desert Snake
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Disciple of Jesus,
There is only one reason why you see contradictions in the Holy Scriptures. The reason is, you are a Superficialist, meaning you have a very small bit of understanding of the Holy Scriptures. Or your mind, when speaking of the Scriptures, is a Tabula Rasa, or you just have a Nodding Acquaintance of the Scriptures.
The Bible is completely accurate in all that it says, even when the Scripture is not speaking particularly about a certain subject!!!
You are correct about Satan being the god of this system of things. If people would just stop and think for a minute, they would realize that this world is not the way God wants it to be. Because Adam and Eve rebelled against God, and wanted to follow Satan instead of God, He has turned the rule of the world over to Satan, but only for a certain period of time, and that time is almost over.
Just before Jesus went back to heaven his disciples came to him and asked; what will be the sign that we would see just before you come back to earth? Jesus gave them many things that would happen, then he told them what would be happening just before he returns to earth, all mentioned at Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. Other Bible writers wrote things to watch for, 2Timothy 3:1-7, 2Peter 3:1-7, Romans 1:18-32.
We are not far from The Great Tribulation, mentioned at Revelation 7:14. We should be able to see this clearly, because there are many things written in the Holy Bible to warn us. Even though all the thing mentioned have been seen, to some extent, the amount of dishonesty, immorality, lack of love for neighbor, or people in other countries who are killed, with the pretext that they might be a danger to our country some day, when the real reason is; we want their natural resources. The wickedness of this generation is unpresidented, so we have no reason not to recognize that this is the generation that will see Jesus return to earth. If we do not KNOW God and are not following Jesus when he returns, we will be destroyed, so says the Bible, 2Thessalonians 1:6-10.
74x12
Well-Known Member
- To your first question. No, and it's a horrible thing to say Jesus is in power of satan. This is what the Pharisees were doing in Matthew 12:24-31
- To your second question. There are spirits who call themselves jesus but are not the real jesus. They will show their hand eventually if you give them time. They will eventually teach a false doctrine. So you need to know your Bible so you can catch them in a lie. Then you'll know they're a false jesus. The real Jesus never lies. And His Word is truth. The scriptures will be proven true.
There is no "possessed" character of Jesus in the Bible. If you think that Jesus is wrong in the Bible or contradictory it's just because you haven't learned as much as you think. So keep learning and do what Jesus taught. He said "ask and you'll receive, seek and you'll find, knock and it will be opened to you"
So you have to pray for the understanding of the verses and then seek the scriptures. Anytime you think you found a contradiction in the scriptures pray about it and if you have patience then God will show you that it's not a contradiction and that it's actually a revelation. Then you'll knock and the door will be opened because the revelation leads somewhere.
Jesus is not a pagan deity.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
I take it you realize that
John 5:37
John 5:39
&
John 1:18
All has to match, and affect theological ideas, as well?
In other words, these verses can all be correct, however the interpretation has to match certain things, otherwise it isn't correct, and would contradict itself, directly.
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Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Yeshua says, read the scriptures, you will find me in the Scripture. Great.
John 5:39
This means that interpretation of
John 1:18
Has to match what is already in the Scriptures. If the interpretation doesn't match, it is contradicting Yeshuas own words.
John 5:39
This means that interpretation of
John 1:18
Has to match what is already in the Scriptures. If the interpretation doesn't match, it is contradicting Yeshuas own words.
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he wrote the book of joshua himself. who better to tell his own biography.
he was moses' oracle
Exodus 24:13
So Moses arose with his assistant Joshua, and Moses went up to the mountain of God.
Exodus 33:11
So the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. And he would return to the camp, but his servant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, did not depart from the tabernacle.
74x12
Well-Known Member
Jesus is the express image of God. (Hebrews 1:3) If you take a seal and press it into the wax then that is how Jesus is to God. God is like the signet and Jesus the wax. The exact impression of God's image. This is why Jesus is God manifest. But He is only manifest to those who have eyes to see or ears to hear. Because as Isaiah says "Who has believed our report? And to whom is the Arm of YHVH revealed?" (Isaiah 53:1) Therefore, you can look directly at Jesus when He was on the earth and you would only see a man; unless God showed you who He really is. Because God has hidden these things from those who are wise and prudent (According to the wisdom of this world) but He reveals this revelation to babes. (Matthew 11:25-27) Only those whom God chooses will see the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God shining in the face of Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 4:6) Therefore, Jesus told the unbelievers that they had never seen the Father or heard His voice. Because they did not believe or comprehend the message. But to His own chosen disciples Jesus said:
(John 14:9) Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Because as Jesus said "My sheep hear my voice ..." So the followers of Jesus hear the true voice of the good Shepherd.
No one can see God; except you can see the image of God through "eyes of understanding" (Ephesians 1:18) which is Jesus Christ. This is how Jesus "declares" God. Because He is the exact image of God. This is why in 1 Timothy 6:14-16 Paul says that when He appears: Jesus will "show" the God that no one has ever seen because He dwells in unapproachable Light. So Jesus is all of God we can see ...
1 Timothy 6:14-16 King James Version (KJV)
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
So Jesus is the manifestation of God (1 Timothy 3:16) and the express image of God. (Hebrews 1:3) He will show the only God. (1 Timothy 6:14-16) And when Jesus stands again on the Mt. of Olives (Zechariah 14:4) it will be split in two and there will be one YHVH in that day and His name One (Zechariah 14:9) for Jesus will have returned in the glory of the Father. (Matthew 16:27)
InChrist
Free4ever
Satan is merely the "god" of the present evil world system...
while Jesus is the Savior (Luke 2:11), the Light of the world (John 8:12), the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords ( 1 Tim. 6:15), Immanuel "God with us" (Matt. 1:23), the One through whom all things were created and all things consist (Col. 1:17).
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
I agree, 'satan', here, to my understading, would be a contextual or 'false g-d'.
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whirlingmerc
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Jesus himself referred to Satan as 'the god of this world'.
It doesn't mean another God as much as an idolatrous pretender to act as if he was God
John 14:30
English Standard Version
I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me,
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
That is actually referring to angels, or 'gods of the nations', not people. Note that Jesus here, is claiming divinity. The verses aren't pleasantries, it is the High G-d rebuking angels for not doing their duty.
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RESOLUTION
Active Member
Psalm 82.
Why not take a look at the psalm itself. Note verse 1. God standeth in the congregation of the Mighty, he judgeth among the gods.
The take Moses from the Torah and look at what God says to him...King James Bible Exodus 7:1
And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
He also said to Moses:-
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Aspha is speaking about the corruption amongst men like the judges of the time those clothed by God to carry out justice who were clearly not honouring God. Charles Spurgeon explains this better I have said, ye are gods. The greatest honour was thus put upon them; they were delegated gods, clothed for a while with a little of that authority by which the Lord judges among the sons of men. And all of you are children of the Most High. This was their ex-officio character, not their moral or spiritual relationship. There must be some government among men, and as angels are not sent to dispense it, God allows men to rule over men, and endorses their office, so far at least that the prostitution of it becomes an insult to his own prerogatives. Magistrates would have no right to condemn the guilty if God had not sanctioned the establishment of government, the administration of law, and the execution of sentences. Here the Spirit speaks most honourably of these offices, even when it censures the officers; and thereby teaches us to render honour to whom honour is due, honour to the office even if we award censure to the officer bearer.
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
God used the words "6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." in regards to the men of the earth who had been given the authority to judge as God amongst his creation. Angels, Prophets and Men are all servants of the Most High God. There can be no equal to God in his own premise. Jesus was given authority like Moses to unto man as a god in that Jesus did as his Father did. Jesus confirmed this when he said... " My words are Spirit and they are life." and "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of Myself; but the Father that dwelleth in Me, He doeth the works." So God is not rebuking the angels he is rebuking the men he allowed to sit in judgement in the courts the judges who were corrupt and dishonouring God.
Hope that is now clearer for you. Both Jesus and Moses made as gods unto men. But neither acted in their own power but the will of God.
One time Moses allowed himself to get carried away it cost him his right to enter the promised land. He disobeyed Gods command to speak to the rock and he struck it instead.
Jesus like Adam was a son of God. Both made by the will and word of God not by human will or by the powers of human flesh through procreation. They were both created by the WILL of God. God spoke and it happened according to the bible.