Do all dogs go to Heaven?

SalixIncendium · Dec 2, 2018

Samantha Rinne said:
That is, do pets have an Afterlife?

Today on the way back from stuff, I noticed our cat no longer had quite the same bounce in her step. She's like 18 or so, and she used to be able to hop up on a porch railing but she couldn't do it today. She barely ate or drank and spent most of her time sleeping and walking to a place to sleep. She may get better after some sleep, or this may be it for her within about a month. So it got me wondering about the above.

Sermon: Do all dogs go to heaven? Yes, and even cats do too

The Catholic church says that animals have sensate souls (that is, they can feel) but not higher souls (they can't think about existence) and for this reason they cannot move beyond this world. The implication of this is that atheists also don't have an Afterlife, because their soul can't (or won't) believe beyond the physical world, and just kinda rot to dust after death. Protestant tradition has it different. They see pets as while having a different quality of soul, they are put on this place to serve and bring joy to humans. The idea is that where humans go, so do their animals, which is why while only humans sinned in Eden, animals were brought outside. The diiference seems to be that for a dog or cat, they have no final judgement because they are kinda just along for the ride. That is, we have knowledge of good and evil, while they kinda just are animals.

To add to my thoughts in post #10 of this thread, I am unable to answer your poll because none of the choices reflect my worldview.

DustyFeet · Dec 2, 2018

SalixIncendium said:
To add to my thoughts in post #10 of this thread, I am unable to answer your poll because none of the choices reflect my worldview.

wellllll that's a low-slow meatball right over the plate...

i, for one, would love to read about your "worldview"

SalixIncendium · Dec 2, 2018

DustyFeet said:
wellllll that's a low-slow meatball right over the plate...

i, for one, would love to read about your "worldview"

As long as it's a turkey or chicken meatball, as I'm on a pollo-pescatarian diet.

In the interest of not derailing Samantha's thread, I just leave you this link to peruse, and I'd be glad to answer any questions you might have in PMs or in another thread.

Nondualism - Wikipedia

dianaiad · Dec 2, 2018

Samantha Rinne said:
That is, do pets have an Afterlife?

Today on the way back from stuff, I noticed our cat no longer had quite the same bounce in her step. She's like 18 or so, and she used to be able to hop up on a porch railing but she couldn't do it today. She barely ate or drank and spent most of her time sleeping and walking to a place to sleep. She may get better after some sleep, or this may be it for her within about a month. So it got me wondering about the above.

Sermon: Do all dogs go to heaven? Yes, and even cats do too

The Catholic church says that animals have sensate souls (that is, they can feel) but not higher souls (they can't think about existence) and for this reason they cannot move beyond this world. The implication of this is that atheists also don't have an Afterlife, because their soul can't (or won't) believe beyond the physical world, and just kinda rot to dust after death. Protestant tradition has it different. They see pets as while having a different quality of soul, they are put on this place to serve and bring joy to humans. The idea is that where humans go, so do their animals, which is why while only humans sinned in Eden, animals were brought outside. The diiference seems to be that for a dog or cat, they have no final judgement because they are kinda just along for the ride. That is, we have knowledge of good and evil, while they kinda just are animals.

My own belief system says yes. (shrug) I certainly know animals who 'deserve' a 'happily ever after' more than some humans do.

GoodbyeDave · Dec 2, 2018

My answer is that I don't know. I don't believe that all people have the same sort of afterlife, for there's evidence to the contrary, so I don't know where I'll be going, and I'm not in any great hurry to find out. But no dogs, please — and especially no spiders.

Jollybear · Dec 2, 2018

Altfish said:
I thought you had to 'accept Jesus' to get into Heaven; how do dogs do that? Wag their tails as they pass a church?

You dont mentally accept Jesus as Lord. By accepting via DOING his commands, you inadvertently truely accepted him as Lord. Thus then he acceps you. You dont need to believe he even exists. By obeying what he commands, or agreeing with his commands, he acceps that as you accept his authority or Lordship. Once you die and see him as existing, then obviously you wont need to believe because youl know.

Valjean · Dec 2, 2018

SalixIncendium said:
I fully agree with the and will take it a step further to say that all living beings are the same nature.

All are plugged into the same, unified mains.

DustyFeet said:
may i take this one step further

all animal, insect, mineral, and veg-a-tables... they all execute the will of G-d perfectly

theory: this is "why" they don't "need" to re-incarnate

Folklore has it that only elephants, cattle, tigers, monkeys and, possibly, wolves, re-incarnate as humans.

theory: all animal, insect, mineral, and veg-a-tables do **not** have free will, free will is for humans

Consciousness appears much more complicated than generally bee-lieved.Inside the mind of a bee is a hive of sensory activity | Aeon Essays

brainstorm: AI with free-will is human??? hmmmmmmm
brainstorm: AI with free-will is not "alive" but could be a "sentient being"?
brainstorm: AI with free will is still a part of G-d's creation?
brainstorm: AI with free will should be respected. Disrespecting the creation disrespects the "Creator"?

Investigation ongoing.

Valjean · Dec 2, 2018

SalixIncendium said:
I fully agree with the and will take it a step further to say that all living beings are the same nature.

All sparks from a single fire; water droplets from, and eventually to return to, the same sea.

Valjean · Dec 2, 2018

There are hierarchical realities. A true statement from one perspective is false from another. Re-incarnation can be a very different thing from different perspectives.

Question re survey: How do you define "soul?" At what level do you want this poll answered?
Different answers from different levels.

Salvador · Dec 2, 2018

There's zero scientific evidence of anybody's consciousness existing once there are no electrical currents flowing between his/her/its brain's neurons. Therefore, I suspect everybody's consciousness returns to non-existence after their brain ceases to biologically function.

Saint Frankenstein · Dec 2, 2018

DavidMcCann said:
My answer is that I don't know. I don't believe that all people have the same sort of afterlife, for there's evidence to the contrary, so I don't know where I'll be going, and I'm not in any great hurry to find out. But no dogs, please — and especially no spiders.

Not an animal lover?

Saint Frankenstein · Dec 2, 2018

Samantha Rinne said:
The implication of this is that atheists also don't have an Afterlife, because their soul can't (or won't) believe beyond the physical world, and just kinda rot to dust after death.

What the hell?

Kelly of the Phoenix · Dec 2, 2018

Samantha Rinne said:
The Catholic church says that animals have sensate souls (that is, they can feel) but not higher souls (they can't think about existence) and for this reason they cannot move beyond this world.

Until we can establish meaningful dialogue with non-humans, this is just an assumption, one that perhaps unfairly praises humanity for something everyone does. We felt tool-making was a human thing. We were wrong. We felt pain was a human thing. We were wrong. We felt language was a human thing. We were wrong. We felt self-identity was a human thing. We were wrong.

I figure that if a being has a sense of self, it might as well have an afterlife of sorts. After all, we don't even have confirmation that WE have one, much less anyone else.

Samantha Rinne said:
The idea is that where humans go, so do their animals, which is why while only humans sinned in Eden, animals were brought outside.

You could also argue that if we were going down, we were going to take everyone else down with us.

Samantha Rinne said:
That is, we have knowledge of good and evil, while they kinda just are animals.

At the very least, animals have morals. Try taking the food or offspring of an animal and see how far you get. Stealing, at the very least, is a "sin" for non-humans as well.

Hell, I have trouble sleeping because my Lab Bear gets angry that I have the AUDACITY to want to sleep in MY bed.

John53 said:
I'm happy to be in the same place as the dogs.

So am I, but I also want dinosaurs. They're there too, right?

viole said:
If they accept Jesus as Lord and savior, I don’t see why not.

If even rocks can be children of Abraham, rocks can get in to heaven too.

Amanaki said:
Just like human beings dogs has reincarnation cycle too. And no dogs does not go to heaven as animal

Sometimes, when I have dreams of dogs long gone, they might look like humans sometimes and talk to me.

John53 · Dec 2, 2018

Kelly of the Phoenix said:
So am I, but I also want dinosaurs. They're there too, right?

Dinosaurs are fine and I'm a massive bird nerd so I want birds. However no cats allowed.

shmogie · Dec 3, 2018

viole said:
I love spiders. Will they also be there?

Ciao

- viole

Of course

BilliardsBall · Dec 3, 2018

Samantha Rinne said:
That is, do pets have an Afterlife?

Today on the way back from stuff, I noticed our cat no longer had quite the same bounce in her step. She's like 18 or so, and she used to be able to hop up on a porch railing but she couldn't do it today. She barely ate or drank and spent most of her time sleeping and walking to a place to sleep. She may get better after some sleep, or this may be it for her within about a month. So it got me wondering about the above.

Sermon: Do all dogs go to heaven? Yes, and even cats do too

The Catholic church says that animals have sensate souls (that is, they can feel) but not higher souls (they can't think about existence) and for this reason they cannot move beyond this world. The implication of this is that atheists also don't have an Afterlife, because their soul can't (or won't) believe beyond the physical world, and just kinda rot to dust after death. Protestant tradition has it different. They see pets as while having a different quality of soul, they are put on this place to serve and bring joy to humans. The idea is that where humans go, so do their animals, which is why while only humans sinned in Eden, animals were brought outside. The diiference seems to be that for a dog or cat, they have no final judgement because they are kinda just along for the ride. That is, we have knowledge of good and evil, while they kinda just are animals.

I like this saying, "If you need your pet in Heaven for it to be utopia, they will be present." That's just the love of Christ for you.

Muffled · Dec 3, 2018

I believe I will be able to envision my dog in Heaven but what other people will envision I couldn't say.

Muffled · Dec 3, 2018

Valjean said:
Cats dogs and humans. Same nature.

I believe that is same physical nature. Only humans are able to connect to a spirit.

Muffled · Dec 3, 2018

Samantha Rinne said:
How on Earth would they do that? Which I think bring us to an important part of all this.

The article I linked to seemed to be saying that pets, because they had a simpler soul, it wasn't a matter of them accepting Jesus, more like Jesus was accepting them. They always ask "what about those people before Jesus? What about those ppl are never heard of Jesus? Or who can't answer the call because they live in awful countries?" I think that has to be your answer.

I believe Jesus is capable of creating visions in Heaven as well as us.

Valjean · Dec 3, 2018

Muffled said:
I believe that is same physical nature. Only humans are able to connect to a spirit.

Why is that? What's this belief based on?

Do all dogs go to Heaven?

Pets...

Have souls and thus an afterlife

Don't have souls or the same quality ones

I believe in reincarnation

I don't believe in the afterlife

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