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Why are you not an atheist?

Are you an atheist or agnostic? (if you are a Deist, vote no)

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 39.5%

  • No

    Votes: 23 60.5%
  • Total voters
    38
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
Why believe the messenger? We know that prophecy has failed. We covered that. Is there any reason that one messenger should be accepted over another? How does your messenger compare to Bobby Henderson?
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We believe Him because He has the message from God. But before we believe that we have to check Him out.
Predictions Baha'u'llah made did not fail, but that is not the way to determine if He was a real Messenger of God or not. We determine that by looking at His life and mission and what He wrote.

Baha'u'llah is in a class of His own. Nobody can be compared to Him. He is the greatest Messenger that was ever sent by God, not because He was better than the others but because His Mission was much more important.

Bobby Henderson is not a Messenger of God. :rolleyes:
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
ben d said:
Is the Messenger in the form of a man or an Angel?
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He is a man but he is more than a man, he is kind of a God-man, a hybrid of sorts. Here is an apt description:

A Messenger of God is a subtle, mysterious and ethereal Being that has been assigned a twofold nature; the physical, pertaining to the world of matter, and the spiritual, which is born of the substance of God Himself. His body is human but His Soul was not conceived at conception like ours, but was rather pre-existent. In that preexistence His Soul was given the capacity to receive direct revelations from God. Although the Messenger had to translate that Revelation into a form we could understand, His Words are endowed with an invisible spiritual force.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Trailblazer said:
He is a man but he is more than a man, he is kind of a God-man, a hybrid of sorts. Here is an apt description:

A Messenger of God is a subtle, mysterious and ethereal Being that has been assigned a twofold nature; the physical, pertaining to the world of matter, and the spiritual, which is born of the substance of God Himself. His body is human but His Soul was not conceived at conception like ours, but was rather pre-existent. In that preexistence His Soul was given the capacity to receive direct revelations from God. Although the Messenger had to translate that Revelation into a form we could understand, His Words are endowed with an invisible spiritual force.
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Thank you, I understand.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Trailblazer said:
We believe Him because He has the message from God. But before we believe that we have to check Him out.
Predictions Baha'u'llah made did not fail, but that is not the way to determine if He was a real Messenger of God or not. We determine that by looking at His life and mission and what He wrote.

Baha'u'llah is in a class of His own. Nobody can be compared to Him. He is the greatest Messenger that was ever sent by God, not because He was better than the others but because His Mission was much more important.

Bobby Henderson is not a Messenger of God. :rolleyes:
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But the Predictions of Baha'u'llah did fail. When a prediction is too vague it fails by default. That puts him in Bobby Henderson territory, unless you can think of something better.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
But the Predictions of Baha'u'llah did fail. When a prediction is too vague it fails by default. That puts him in Bobby Henderson territory, unless you can think of something better.
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The prediction came true, it was just too vague to be useful for you.
Baha'u'llah's predictions are not the proof of His Prophethood...

“Say: The first and foremost testimony establishing His truth is His own Self. Next to this testimony is His Revelation. For whoso faileth to recognize either the one or the other He hath established the words He hath revealed as proof of His reality and truth. This is, verily, an evidence of His tender mercy unto men. He hath endowed every soul with the capacity to recognize the signs of God. How could He, otherwise, have fulfilled His testimony unto men, if ye be of them that ponder His Cause in their hearts. He will never deal unjustly with any one, neither will He task a soul beyond its power. He, verily, is the Compassionate, the All-Merciful.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 105-106
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Trailblazer said:
The prediction came true, it was just too vague to be useful for you.
Baha'u'llah's predictions are not the proof of His Prophethood...

“Say: The first and foremost testimony establishing His truth is His own Self. Next to this testimony is His Revelation. For whoso faileth to recognize either the one or the other He hath established the words He hath revealed as proof of His reality and truth. This is, verily, an evidence of His tender mercy unto men. He hath endowed every soul with the capacity to recognize the signs of God. How could He, otherwise, have fulfilled His testimony unto men, if ye be of them that ponder His Cause in their hearts. He will never deal unjustly with any one, neither will He task a soul beyond its power. He, verily, is the Compassionate, the All-Merciful.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 105-106
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Not just to me, too vague to be of any use to anyone. I too am a Messenger of God by those low standards:

Lo, you shall drive out and see a car of red.

Just stating something to be evidence does not make it evidence. You keep putting your messenger in Bobby Henderson territory. What do you have against Bobby anyway?
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
PopeADope said:
Yes, suffering leads to Greater spiritual Perfection and greater reward in the next life.

Sometimes, the people that God loves the most must suffer the most
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Or perhaps we suffer because the universe does not exist to serve us, but rather we, it. And that when we ignore this, and presume ourselves to be demigods, standing in judgement, and seeking to control all that we encounter, we just make everything worse than it could otherwise have been, both for ourselves and for everyone around us.
 
Cobol

Cobol

Code Jockey
There is no logical reason to believe in God or the afterlife. There are emotional reasons, certainly, but I cannot have faith that nothing is something simply because it would be reassuring. I can't believe in god any more than believing in invisible monkeys.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Cobol said:
There is no logical reason to believe in God or the afterlife. There are emotional reasons, certainly, but I cannot have faith that nothing is something simply because it would be reassuring. I can't believe in god any more than believing in invisible monkeys.
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Is there a logical reason to believe in one's own life/existence? Please
Regards
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Im an atheist because I dont know "how" to be anything else.

Im not an anti-supernatualist. I feel we dont need something greater, beyond, and super to be god.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
not an atheist because.....

too much detail above my head
too much detail below my feet
too much detail in every direction

too much science to say this was all an accident
 
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