"The Top 10 Claims Made by Creationists to Counter Scientific Theories"

Faithofchristian said:

What makes you think, the bible is contradictions,
Everything in the Bible is in order.
If you had any knowledge or understanding about the bible. Unto which you don't.

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Don't you ever tire of falling back on this old retort instead of countering with a good, cogent argument? This isn't to say Polymath257 didn't exaggerate a bit, but we all know that there are contradictions in the Bible, despite the silly tap dancing some go through in order to expunge them. One of my favorites goes to the tune of: "This is probably a copyist error." | shuffle - step - ball change - step | --- "Ta da!" (takes a bow).

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Skwim said:

Don't you ever tire of falling back on this old retort instead of countering with a good, cogent argument? This isn't to say Polymath257 didn't exaggerate a bit, but we all know that there are contradictions in the Bible, despite the silly tap dancing some go through in order to expunge them. One of my favorites goes to the tune of: "This is probably a copyist error." | shuffle - step - ball change - step | --- "Ta da!" (takes a bow).

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So you say, there are contradictions unto which doesn't make it so.
All your doing is taking things out of their context and making it seem like contradictions.
I've came across many people like yourself, that say there are contradictions, But upon closely examination there are no contradictions, just taking things out of context.
You may get other people to believe there are contradictions, But not with me.

Go ahead feel free and give me one example of a contradiction and explain why you think it's a contradiction and I will show you, where your taking it out of it's context.
There are many places in the Bible, Where words got lost in Translation, What this mean is, That those who went into the scriptures to translate the Greek and Hebrew into English did the best that they could with what tools they had at the time.

Where as for us to day, We have the necessary tools to translate the Greek and Hebrew into English.

Faithofchristian said:

So you say, there are contradictions unto which doesn't make it so.
All your doing is taking things out of their context and making it seem like contradictions.
I've came across many people like yourself, that say there are contradictions, But upon closely examination there are no contradictions, just taking things out of context.
You may get other people to believe there are contradictions, But not with me.

Go ahead feel free and give me one example of a contradiction and explain why you think it's a contradiction and I will show you, where your taking it out of it's context.
There are many places in the Bible, Where words got lost in Translation, What this mean is, That those who went into the scriptures to translate the Greek and Hebrew into English did the best that they could with what tools they had at the time.

Where as for us to day, We have the necessary tools to translate the Greek and Hebrew into English.

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Just because a person can dishonestly reinterpret the Bible does not mean that the contradictions are not there. This should keep you busy for a little while:

Faithofchristian said:

So you say, there are contradictions unto which doesn't make it so.
All your doing is taking things out of their context and making it seem like contradictions.
I've came across many people like yourself, that say there are contradictions, But upon closely examination there are no contradictions, just taking things out of context.
]You may get other people to believe there are contradictions, But not with me.

Go ahead feel free and give me one example of a contradiction

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Great. How about:

and explain why you think it's a contradiction

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A thing cannot be both 18 and 8. (Other than 8 being part of 18, which isn't the case here.)

and I will show you, where your taking it out of it's context.

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Explain away.

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Faithofchristian said:

What makes you think, the bible is contradictions,
Everything in the Bible is in order.
If you had any knowledge or understanding about the bible. Unto which you don't.

Had you any idea about the bible, You would haved found in the Bible, Prophecy that was given 2000 years ago are now being fulfilled about people like yourself.

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In your previous posts we have seen how terribly wrong you are about the science of geology amongst other things. I don't see why we should take your claims about the Bible seriously given how poorly you have dealt with facts in other posts.

Skwim said:

Great. How about:

2KI 24:8
Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

2CH 36:9
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.​

A thing cannot be both 18 and 8. (Other than 8 being part of 18, which isn't the case here.)



Explain away.

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It seems like I went into this before with someone else, so here we go again.

If you had notice that in 2nd kings 24:6, that Jehoiachin father JehoiaKim had died, At this time Jeahoichin, was only 8 years old.
Stepping in to take over his father's place as king over Jerusalem. 2nd Chronicles 36:8-9.

Then after the term of his father was up, Then Jeahoichin, became king over Jerusalem at the age of 18 years old.
2nd kings 24:8.

Lets say the President of United States dies, and the Vice President steps in to take his place as President. Now after the term of the President is up. Now The Vice President can run for President on his own term.

This is what Jehoiachin, did, fulfilled the term of his father JehoiaKim.
Then at the age of 18 years old
Jehoiachin, became king over Jerusalem on his own term.
2nd kings 24:6-8.

So there's no Contradiction, when you put it all together in it's proper order of events.

Thermos aquaticus said:

In your previous posts we have seen how terribly wrong you are about the science of geology amongst other things. I don't see why we should take your claims about the Bible seriously given how poorly you have dealt with facts in other posts.

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Then prove me wrong, about the bible ?
Go ahead give it your best shot.

Have you done a study on the science of human geology.
So what is the difference between the Celestial man and the Terrestrial man ?

Faithofchristian said:

Then prove me wrong, about the bible ?

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Prove yourself right.

Have you done a study on the science of human geology.
So what is the difference between the Celestial man and the Terrestrial man ?

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You are the one claiming they exist, so it is up to you to demonstrate that they exist. It isn't our job to prove your claims or define your terms for you.

Faithofchristian said:

It seems like I went into this before with someone else, so here we go again.

If you had notice that in 2nd kings 24:6, that Jehoiachin father JehoiaKim had died, At this time Jeahoichin, was only 8 years old.
Stepping in to take over his father's place as king over Jerusalem. 2nd Chronicles 36:8-9.

Then after the term of his father was up, Then Jeahoichin, became king over Jerusalem at the age of 18 years old.
2nd kings 24:8.

Lets say the President of United States dies, and the Vice President steps in to take his place as President. Now after the term of the President is up. Now The Vice President can run for President on his own term.

This is what Jehoiachin, did, fulfilled the term of his father JehoiaKim.
Then at the age of 18 years old
Jehoiachin, became king over Jerusalem on his own term.
2nd kings 24:6-8.

So there's no Contradiction, when you put it all together in it's proper order of events.

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That is the weakest excuse that I have ever heard. In fact real scholars simply admit that it was an error with an explanation. As a result some versions of 2 Chronicles are translated as him being 18 years old to account for that error. You seem to have forgotten in the verse that says he was made king at the age of eight also says that he reigned for only 100 days.

You can check out the multiple interpretations here:

http://biblehub.com/2_chronicles/36-9.htm

And you will find the acknowledgement of the error in the explanations at the bottom of the page.

Thermos aquaticus said:

Prove yourself right.



You are the one claiming they exist, so it is up to you to demonstrate that they exist. It isn't our job to prove your claims or define your terms for you.

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Well seeing that humans are the Terrestrial man.
And the Celestial man is from above. The only way for you to understand the Celestial man, think of an alien, like a UFO being.
The Celestial man is not of this world.
Just think about all those UFO sightings,
Makes a person think , are they real,
As for myself and other people I know, believe they are real.
Probably one day soon they will make contact with us.
They are not coming around us for nothing.
Make of it as you want to.
Just something to think about.

The bible speaks about the Celestial man and the Terrestrial man.
The Celestial man being, is not of our world. But from above.
The Terrestrial man is human beings of the earth.
The bible speaks about alot of things that people are not even aware of.

Faithofchristian said:

Well seeing that humans are the Terrestrial man.
And the Celestial man is from above. The only way for you to understand the Celestial man, think of an alien, like a UFO being.
The Celestial man is not of this world.
Just think about all those UFO sightings,
Makes a person think , are they real,
As for myself and other people I know, believe they are real.
Probably one day soon they will make contact with us.
They are not coming around us for nothing.
Make of it as you want to.
Just something to think about.

The bible speaks about the Celestial man and the Terrestrial man.
The Celestial man being, is not of our world. But from above.
The Terrestrial man is human beings of the earth.
The bible speaks about alot of things that people are not even aware of.

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It appears that you cannot defend your beliefs. Try again without the word salad and unsupported claims.

Faithofchristian said:

If you had notice that in 2nd kings 24:6, that Jehoiachin father JehoiaKim had died, At this time Jeahoichin, was only 8 years old.

Stepping in to take over his father's place as king over Jerusalem. 2nd Chronicles 36:8-9.

Then after the term of his father was up, Then Jeahoichin, became king over Jerusalem at the age of 18 years old.
2nd kings 24:8.

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So what if he became king or ate tortillas with refried beans when he turned 18?* The issue at hand isn't when he became king, BUT When He Started To Reign. So, the question is: When did Jeahoichin begin to reign?

2nd kings 24:8 says "Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign,"

2nd Chronicles 36:8-9 disagrees, and says "Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign,"

Are the two claims the same? No.
Are the two claims contradictory? Yes. 18 ≠ 8.






* FYI, almost 20% of the Bibles I checked say he became king at the age of eight.


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Skwim said:

So what if he became king or ate tortillas with refried beans when he turned 18? The issue at hand isn't when he became king, BUT When He Started To Reign. So, the question is: When did Jeahoichin begin to reign?

2nd kings 24:8 says "Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign,"

2nd Chronicles 36:8-9 disagrees, and says "Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign,"

Are the two answers the same? No.
Are the two answers contradictory? Yes. 18 ≠ 8.


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Nope, The whole reason behind Jehoiachin became king of Jerusalem at 8 years old,
Was because his father died and
Jeahoichin was next in line to be king of Jerusalem.
And then when Jehoiachin became
18 years old, then he became king of Jerusalem on his own accord and not by anything his father did

I know all of this, just rains on your parade showing there is no Contradiction.
Your not the first that tried this of
2nd kings 24:8 and 2nd Chronicles 36:9.
But it will not work with me, I do know the bible probably better than most people do.

Faithofchristian said:

Nope, the whole reason behind Jehoiachin became king of Jerusalem at 8 years old.Was because his father died and
Jeahoichin was next in line to be king of Jerusalem.
And then when Jehoiachin became
18 years old, then he became king of Jerusalem on his own accord and not by anything his father did

I know all of this, just rains on your parade showing there is no Contradiction.
Your not the first that tried this of
2nd kings 24:8 and 2nd Chronicles 36:9.
But it will not work with me, I do know the bible probably better than most people do.

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Can you find anyone that understands the Bible at all that supports this lunacy?

Faithofchristian said:

Nope, The whole reason behind Jehoiachin became king of Jerusalem at 8 years old,
Was because his father died and
Jeahoichin was next in line to be king of Jerusalem.
And then when Jehoiachin became
18 years old, then he became king of Jerusalem on his own accord and not by anything his father did

I know all of this, just rains on your parade showing there is no Contradiction.
Your not the first that tried this of
2nd kings 24:8 and 2nd Chronicles 36:9.

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Head-in-the-sand desperation beyond belief. You have my condolences

But it will not work with me, I do know the bible probably better than most people do.

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And just like clockwork: out comes the old chest thumper.


Or how did you put it to polymath a few posts earlier? . . . . . . . . . . . . hold on . . . . . Oh yes.

In other words:

Skwim said:

Head-in-the-sand desperation beyond belief. You have my condolences


And just like clockwork: out comes the old chest thumper.

"How could I be wrong when I know the Bible much better than you do." ​

Or how did you put it to polymath a few posts earlier? . . . . . . . . . . . . hold on . . . . . Oh yes.

"If you had any knowledge or understanding about the bible. Unto which you don't."
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In other words:

"How could I ever be wrong when I know the Bible much better than everyone else."

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Yeah right you could only wish you know the bible, Seeing you can't put the simplest things together in the Bible.

Your no better than all the other people, when showed their error, just can't handle it, when showed they have no contradictions.

Faithofchristian said:

Yeah right you could only wish you know the bible, Seeing you can't put the simplest things together in the Bible.

Your no better than all the other people, when showed their error, just can't handle it, when showed they have no contradictions.

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Just because others do not agree with your incorrect interpretations of the Bible does not mean that they are wrong. And what do you mean by "put together" ? Is that your way of saying "make **** up"?

Faithofchristian said:

So you say, there are contradictions unto which doesn't make it so.
All your doing is taking things out of their context and making it seem like contradictions.
I've came across many people like yourself, that say there are contradictions, But upon closely examination there are no contradictions, just taking things out of context.
You may get other people to believe there are contradictions, But not with me.

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Skwim said:

Great. How about:

2KI 24:8
Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

2CH 36:9
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.​

A thing cannot be both 18 and 8. (Other than 8 being part of 18, which isn't the case here.)



Explain away.

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To Faithofchristian:

Most modern English translations of the Old Testament (OT) bible are translated from the Hebrew Masoretic Text (MT), and supplement some passages with the Greek Septuagint, like the KJV, and more recently, supplemented with the mid-20th century discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Jehoiachin’s conflicting ages are found in the same translation. But ages are not only contradicting here.

When we compare the ages of the patriarchs of when they became fathers to their sons (the future patriarchs), in Genesis 5 and 11 genealogy, most patriarchs were found to be 100 years older in the Septuagint, than those same patriarchs found in the Masoretic Text-based translations (eg KJV, NIV, NRSV, NASB, etc).

For instance, in Genesis 5:3-5, it say Adam was 130 years old, when Seth was born in the MT, but in the Septuagint, Adam was 230 years old.

And it is the same with Seth, all the way to Enoch becoming father to Methuselah. 100 years extra are found from Adam to Enoch, when comparing the Septuagint and Masoretic in Genesis 5.

The same pattern occurred with the differences of 100 years, starting with Shem’s son, Arpachshad, down to Serug, father of Nahor.

With Nahor, the difference is 150 years, displaying at 29 when he became father to Terah in Masoretic translations, and 179 in the Septuagint.

In the whole 2 books, only Noah, Shem and Terah are in agreement with ages between the two main sources.

The Samaritan Torah agree with the Masoretic in Genesis 5 genealogy, but with the Septuagint in Genesis 11 genealogy.

Other sources, like the Aramaic Targum Onkelos, the Syriac Pe****ta and the Latin Vulgate are in agreement with MT.

Unfortunately we don’t have the whole Genesis 5 (only 5:13-14 survived) and Genesis 11 is completely missing, from the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Dead Sea Scrolls is missing verse 12, which would have specify Kenan’s age, but verses 13 & 14 give us 840 & 910, so Kenan would have been 70 years old when he became father to Mahalalel (910-840 = 70). So the DSS most likely would have agree with Masoretic Text.

So the questions are which translation do you normally read, and how do you explain the discrepancies found in different sources to Genesis 5 & 11, Faithofchristian?

Al Nabi Al Nuuh AS is Al Nabi Al Ahmadz SAW , while Al Nabi Al 'Aadam AS ain't , so that's different .

Al Ibn Al Amra said:

Al Nabi Al Nuuh AS is Al Nabi Al Ahmadz SAW , while Al Nabi Al 'Aadam AS ain't , so that's different .

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Not really. As posted both appear to be Arabic gibberish. Do you have anything of substance? Is Allah incompetent?