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When Will He Appear Again?

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
When?
Matthew 23:39
For I say to you, You will not see me again, until you shall say, Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.

I believe when the religious people become Humanists [good people, not judging] then they will SEE

Read the verses just before. I send prophets and you stone them. You commit thereby sin. Only when you see the big mistakes you make by killing the messengers of God you will See Him again.

[As long as people judge anyone in Gods creation they judge God; so obvious they don't see God]
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
After 3 1/2 days are accomplished, then Jesus returns. Which brings the last Prophecy of Christ Jesus return fulfilled.

Times, times and half a time is 3 1/2 years, which is also the 42 months, is also 1260 days, which in Prophecy, 'each day for a year' is 1260 years.

1260 years is the duration of the Two Witnesses that were clothed in sackcloth.

If we turn to Daniel we find that 1844 was foretold. We now also know that the year AD1844 is also the year AH1260.

It was that year that the Promise of Christ's return was made known by the Bab.

Regards Tony
 

stvdv

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It was that year that the Promise of Christ's return was made known by the Bab

I do hope Bahai finally learned the lesson and is not claiming "The Bab" is the final messenger, do they?
[Messenger might keep coming as long as theists keep killing them]
 
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Drizzt Do'Urden

Deistic Drow Elf
When Christ Jesus returns, that starts the thousand years, which is called the day of the Lord.
But then Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy of Revelation comes to be fulfilled.
After 3 1/2 days are accomplished, then Jesus returns. Which brings the last Prophecy of Christ Jesus return fulfilled.
I don't care about fairy tales about Jesus.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Times, times and half a time is 3 1/2 years, which is also the 42 months, is also 1260 days, which in Prophecy, 'each day for a year' is 1260 years.

1260 years is the duration of the Two Witnesses that were clothed in sackcloth.

If we turn to Daniel we find that 1844 was foretold. We now also know that the year AD1844 is also the year AH1260.

It was that year that the Promise of Christ's return was made known by the Bab.

Regards Tony

3 1/2 days is exactly 3 1/2 days,
So you want people to believe that two people will lay in the street for 42 months.
That foolishness.

31/2 days is exactly 3 1/2 of the Prophecy of the two witnesses.
Not no 42 months.

Further more the book of Daniel has nothing do with the two witnesses of Revelation 11.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I do hope Bahai finally learned the lesson and is not claiming "The Bab" is the final messenger, do they?
[Messenger might keep coming as long as theists keep killing them]

The Bab prepared the way for Baha'u'llah as foretold. Baha'u'llah translated means "Glory of God", or "Glory of the Lord". The Bab (translated as Gate or door), They both came from Persia (Now part of Iran), East of the Holy Land.

Here is but one passages that mentions both these Revelations;

Ezekiel 43:1-5 1Then he led me to the gate, the gate facing toward the east; 2and behold, the glory of the God of Israel was coming from the way of the east. And His voice was like the sound of many waters; and the earth shone with His glory. 3And it was like the appearance of the vision which I saw, like the vision which I saw when He came to destroy the city. And the visions were like the vision which I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell on my face. 4 And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate facing toward the east. 5And the Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house."

Christ means 'Annointed One' and that is how Christ is all Gods Messengers. They One and All are annointed of the same 'Holy Spirit', the "I Am", the 'Primal Will', the 'First and the Last', the 'Alpha and Omega'.

Baha'u'llah has started a Universal Cycle that will last at least 500,000 years. The next Messenger will come after a full 1000 years and this time is also confirmed by the Bible.

Regards Tony
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
The Bab prepared the way for Baha'u'llah as foretold. Baha'u'llah translated means "Glory of God", or "Glory of the Lord". The Bab (translated as Gate or door), They both came from Persia (Now part of Iran), East of the Holy Land.

Here is but one passages that mentions both these Revelations;

Ezekiel 43:1-5 1Then he led me to the gate, the gate facing toward the east; 2and behold, the glory of the God of Israel was coming from the way of the east. And His voice was like the sound of many waters; and the earth shone with His glory. 3And it was like the appearance of the vision which I saw, like the vision which I saw when He came to destroy the city. And the visions were like the vision which I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell on my face. 4 And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate facing toward the east. 5And the Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house."

Christ means 'Annointed One' and that is how Christ is all Gods Messengers. They One and All are annointed of the same 'Holy Spirit', the "I Am", the 'Primal Will', the 'First and the Last', the 'Alpha and Omega'.

Baha'u'llah has started a Universal Cycle that will last at least 500,000 years. The next Messenger will come after a full 1000 years and this time is also confirmed by the Bible.

Regards Tony

But the question is ?
Who comes first ?
The True or the false Messiah ( Christ ? )
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
3 1/2 days is exactly 3 1/2 days,
So you want people to believe that two people will lay in the street for 42 months.
That foolishness.

31/2 days is exactly 3 1/2 of the Prophecy of the two witnesses.
Not no 42 months.

Further more the book of Daniel has nothing do with the two witnesses of Revelation 11.

Except God has sent 3 Messengers since Jesus the Christ.

Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah and the timelines are given in both Daniel and Revelation.

That these 3 Messengers, who are the 3 Woes of Revelation and the Trumpet Blasts, gave messages that fit timelines in the Bible, is only disputable by the unwise and those that wish to stay ignorant of God and Gods ways.

People are smarter than some people are wanting to give credit to them for. I would expect many will see these are not literal happenings when the Body will lie in the street for 1260 years.

If one studies the Message of Muhammad, Muhammad had verbally appointed a Succession of Faith through Ali. Upon Muhammad's death bed he asked for writing material and those that were after power did not allow this to happen. Thus after Muhammad ascended, the Covernant was broken and others took control from Ali and the rest is history Suni being the dead body that controlled the Muslim Faith for 1260 years and Shia line took back stage.

Both the Bab and Baha'u'llah were from the Shia Line.

There is now so much available to understand all this, to remain ignorant is being like that of a Pharaohs.

Regards Tony
 
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TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
But the question is ?
Who comes first ?
The True or the false Messiah ( Christ ? )

Many False have come and Christ warned this would be so.

This is why Christ told us how to determine a True Messenger of God. If we use these guides, then Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah have to be judged True, they pass the given Tests Christ gave.

Christ the Son has returned as Baha'u'llah the Father.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
But the question is ?
Who comes first ?
The True or the false Messiah ( Christ ? )

Interestingly they were both the follower of the Bab.

The False Messiah tried to take over after the Bab's execution. It is a long and much more in depth discussion than we can post here.

Needless to say, the false Messiah is heard of no More and the Messiah foretold of, the 'Glory of God' does light the earth, where there will be no more night.

The Covenant of Baha'u'llah can not be divided, all attempts have and will fail. Faith will now be One in our God.

Regards Tony
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
When?

Matthew 23:39
For I say to you, You will not see me again, until you shall say, Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.

Psalm 118:26
Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord: we have blessed you out of the house of the Lord.



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Except God has sent 3 Messengers since Jesus the Christ.

Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah and the timelines are given in both Daniel and Revelation.

That these 3 Messengers, who are the 3 Woes of Revelation and the Trumpet Blasts, gave messages that fit timelines in the Bible, is only disputable by the unwise and those that wish to stay ignorant of God and Gods ways.

People are smarter than some people are wanting to give credit to them for. I would expect many will see these are not literal happenings when the Body will.lie in the street for 1260 years.

If one studies the Message of Muhammad, Muhammad had verbally appointed a Succession of Faith through Ali. Upon Muhammad's death bed he asked for writing material and those that were after power did not allow this to happen. This after Muhammad ascended, the Covernant was broken and others took control from Ali and the rest is history Suni being the dead body that controlled the Muslim Faith for 1260 yeras and Shia line took back stage.

Both the Bab and Baha'u'llah were from the Shia Line.

There is now so much available to understand all this, to remain ignorant is being like that of a Pharaohs.

Regards Tony

Well that leaves you out,
Seeing the 3 Woes, are in reference to the
3 Angels which are yet to sound the 3 trumpets. Revelation 8:13

Which are part of the 7 Trumpets.and the last 3 are the Woe Trumpets.
5--6--7 the Woe Trumpets.

As to how you get Muhammad, bar
And bahaullah as being the 3 Woe Trumpets is anyone's guess.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Baha'u'llah has started a Universal Cycle that will last at least 500,000 years. The next Messenger will come after a full 1000 years and this time is also confirmed by the Bible.

Thanks for the reply with the info:
500,000 years: Very Good; no WW3 destroying the earth I guess
1000 years: too long for me to wait for
Confirmed by the Bible: Never came across that verse

My experience with masters, messengers, God etc. is that they are quite flexible when they talk about Time. For 2000 years priests guess and claim they know the truth. At least it keeps the churches filled, but not with truth. And it gives people hope and a chance to admit they had their numbers wrong.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Interestingly they were both the follower of the Bab.

The False Messiah tried to take over after the Bab's execution. It is a long and much more in depth discussion than we can post here.

Needless to say, the false Messiah is heard of no More and the Messiah foretold of, the 'Glory of God' does light the earth, where there will be no more night.

The Covenant of Baha'u'llah can not be divided, all attempts have and will fail. Faith will now be One in our God.

Regards Tony

Well all I can say to that is good luck on that, have a good trip.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Except God has sent 3 Messengers since Jesus the Christ.

Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah and the timelines are given in both Daniel and Revelation.

That these 3 Messengers, who are the 3 Woes of Revelation and the Trumpet Blasts, gave messages that fit timelines in the Bible, is only disputable by the unwise and those that wish to stay ignorant of God and Gods ways.

People are smarter than some people are wanting to give credit to them for. I would expect many will see these are not literal happenings when the Body will lie in the street for 1260 years.

If one studies the Message of Muhammad, Muhammad had verbally appointed a Succession of Faith through Ali. Upon Muhammad's death bed he asked for writing material and those that were after power did not allow this to happen. Thus after Muhammad ascended, the Covernant was broken and others took control from Ali and the rest is history Suni being the dead body that controlled the Muslim Faith for 1260 years and Shia line took back stage.

Both the Bab and Baha'u'llah were from the Shia Line.

There is now so much available to understand all this, to remain ignorant is being like that of a Pharaohs.

Regards Tony

Falsehoods, God has not sent no prophets after Christ Jesus, John the Baptist was the last of the Holy Prophet's.

All prophets that comes now, are all false Prophets.

You know even Christ Jesus prophesized about a false prophet in the desert, and Muhammad is that false out in the desert.

Matthew 24:24--"For there shall rise false Christ's and false Prophets"
Matthew 24:26--"Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert,
Go not forth"

There's the false prophet Muhammad in the desert, A desert prophet.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Thanks for the reply with the info:
500,000 years: Very Good; no WW3 destroying the earth I guess
1000 years: too long for me to wait for
Confirmed by the Bible: Never came across that verse

Sorry can not promise that and more than likely there will be another conflict or natural event, maybe a combination that will show Humanity they can not neglect Gods Laws, as there is Cause and Effect.

Civilization as we know it will change dramatically and overnight. Big cities will not survive this change. The Bible Prohecy of 2/3rds of humanity being lost at this time is still a valid Prophecy. There is talks that warn against both America and Russia playing a part in this and in turn both America and Russia will have great suffering as a result, cities will vaporise and sky scrapers will topple like cards.

This is why God sends His messenger before the demise of a civilization, a civilization that prides itself on its great acheivements, all the while it lets so many suffer hunger, neglect and persecution.

We had been given the chance in the mid 1800's to embrace the required change to prevent this inevitable destruction, we again rejected the option and still do.

Personally I see current world events unfolding that make it appear that this time is not far away, these conflicts will not self resolve, it needs a unified World effort and it appears disaster is required before we consider this Unity. Until then, it has been and it still is One Country and One Government against another.

They did not go far enough with the League of Nations that led to the United Nations where Veto's render it a toothless tiger, useless. Baha'u'llah had called for a Union of Nations to set the requirements of a World Peace and gave the minimum requirements for it to work.

Regards Tony
 
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TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Falsehoods, God has not sent no prophets after Christ Jesus, John the Baptist was the last of the Holy Prophet's.

All prophets that comes now, are all false Prophets.

You know even Christ Jesus prophesized about a false prophet in the desert, and Muhammad is that false out in the desert.

Matthew 24:24--"For there shall rise false Christ's and false Prophets"
Matthew 24:26--"Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert,
Go not forth"

There's the false prophet Muhammad in the desert, A desert prophet.

I will leave you with your Truths.

Stay well, happy and I hope you will remain safe.

Regards Tony
 

InChrist

Free4ever
But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.Matthew 24:36-39
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.Matthew 24:36-39

In case you don't know, It is given in the book of Revelation about the day and hour, what is happening during that day and hour.
In Revelation it doesn't give the precise day and hour, But God does give what is happening during that day and hour.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
In case you don't know, It is given in the book of Revelation about the day and hour, what is happening during that day and hour.
In Revelation it doesn't give the precise day and hour, But God does give what is happening during that day and hour.
Yes, Revelation certainly does reveal the conditions in the world when Christ returns to rule and reign on the earth.
 
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