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These are the Words of GOD

Elvendon

Mystical Tea Dispenser
verita... I have a question for you:

Which is the Word of God in your view? Christ or the Bible?
 

verita

Member
Isa 44:13 He fashions wood, and stretches a line; he marks it out with a pencil; he shapes it with carving tools, and he marks it out with the compass, and makes it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man, to sit in the house.
Isa 44:14 He cuts down cedars, and takes cypress and oak, which he makes the trees of the forest strong for him; he plants a tree, and the rain makes it grow.
Isa 44:15 And it shall be for a man to burn; for he will take some of it and warm himself. Yes, he kindles it and bakes bread; yes, he makes a god and worships; he makes it a graven image and falls down to it.
Isa 44:16 He burns part of it in the fire; with part of it he eats flesh; he roasts roast and is satisfied; yea, he warms himself, and says, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire.
Isa 44:17 And the rest of it he makes into a god, his graven image; he falls down to it and worships, and prays to it, and says, Deliver me! for you are my god.
Isa 44:18 They have not known nor understood; for He has shut their eyes so that they cannot see; and their hearts so that they cannot understand.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and the unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, will have their part in the Lake burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

These are the Words of God.
Thanks be to God.

 

verita

Member
Elvendon said:
verita... I have a question for you:

Which is the Word of God in your view? Christ or the Bible?
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word(Christ), and the Word(Christ) was with God, and the Word(Christ) was God.
Joh 1:2 He(Christ) was in the beginning with God.

During the time of the Prophets they write down the Word from the spirit of Christ that was in them.
1Pe 1:10 About which salvation the prophets sought out and searched out, prophesying concerning the grace for you;
1Pe 1:11 searching for what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ made clear within them, testifying beforehand of the sufferings of Christ, and the glories that should follow.

When the Word
(Christ) came into flesh he was called Jesus Christ. When he started preaching the Apostles write down his teachings.

The writing of the Prophets, Apostles and Evangelist were compiled and it called THE BIBLE.

For example... I am sending you now my reply. On my reply, I have my words in it. If you print my reply then my words is printed in the paper. That paper contains my words but you can not see me in the paper.

Spiritual thing is very hard to explain. It's like the wind or air that you can't see.:faint:

God bless you.
 

Elvendon

Mystical Tea Dispenser
verita said:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word(Christ), and the Word(Christ) was with God, and the Word(Christ) was God.
Joh 1:2 He(Christ) was in the beginning with God.

During the time of the Prophets they write down the Word from the spirit of Christ that was in them.
1Pe 1:10 About which salvation the prophets sought out and searched out, prophesying concerning the grace for you;
1Pe 1:11 searching for what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ made clear within them, testifying beforehand of the sufferings of Christ, and the glories that should follow.

When the Word
(Christ) came into flesh he was called Jesus Christ. When he started preaching the Apostles write down his teachings.

The writing of the Prophets, Apostles and Evangelist were compiled and it called THE BIBLE.

For example... I am sending you now my reply. On my reply, I have my words in it. If you print my reply then my words is printed in the paper. That paper contains my words but you can not see me in the paper.

Spiritual thing is very hard to explain. It's like the wind or air that you can't see.:faint:

God bless you.

But is the Bible a finite revelation? If so, why did God stop the revelatory process?

God bless you too :)
 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
Also from God's Word:

For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.

In him we were also chosen,having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.
From Ephesians 1

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Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' " Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?

What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?

What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the "stumbling stone." As it is written:
"See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall,
and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
From Romans 9

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And Isaiah boldly says,
"I was found by those who did not seek me;
I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me."
From Romans 10

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The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."
From John 10

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He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him."
From John 6

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Acts 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.
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Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes.
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II Thess. 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation.
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John 17:1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
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John 15:16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you
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Lev. 20:26 And you shall be holy to Me, for I the LORD am holy, and have separated you from the peoples, that you should be Mine.
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I Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father
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Deut. 7:6 “For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth..."
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They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
From I Peter 2

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and finally from Romans 8:


And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written:
"For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered." No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.

For I am convinced that neither death nor life,
neither angels nor demons,
neither the present nor the future,
nor any powers, neither height nor depth,
nor anything else in all creation,
will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

verita

Member
Elvendon said:
But is the Bible a finite revelation? If so, why did God stop the revelatory process?

God bless you too :)
God stop the revelatory process because everything we need to know about salvation is already written in the bible. It was prophesized in the book of Isaiah.
Isa 34:16
Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
Seek and read means we must study the bible, if possible word for word. If you will do it you will find the answer in the bible and we don’t need any other references because God said “no one of these shall fail”, none shall want her mate:”

Saint John said that we are blessed if we read the bible and keep those things written therein. However reading is not easy because the devil is always there, he will make you sleepy and if not he will let you think other things and you will not remember any word of God that you have read. So if reading is a failure for you, you must hear the words of God from his messenger who is preaching/reading the True Gospel of the Kingdom of God.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Some say that Rev 1:3 indicates only the book of Revelation. The book of Revelation is full of mystery and you will not understand those mysteries if you have not studied the entire bible.

God bless you.:)
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
angellous_evangellous said:
The creation story also says that God created the stars much like a kid punching holes in an upside-down bowl.

Perhaps we should interpret the 24 hour day with the same literary approach as we do the "setting the stars in the firmament (= a bowl = the roundness of the sky above the flat earth with water above and below from which the Flood came)."

That's a pretty loose interpretation.
 

shema

Active Member
joeboonda said:
1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
(King James Bible, Genesis)
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
(King James Bible, Genesis)
1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
(King James Bible, Genesis)
1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
(King James Bible, Genesis)
1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
(King James Bible, Genesis)
1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
(King James Bible, Genesis)

Yup, here is definetely a 24 hour day set up for each day of creation, according to the Word of God.

Ancient Hebrews used 12 hour Days
 

verita

Member
1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor abusers, nor homosexuals,

1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Thanks be toGod.
 

Tigress

Working-Class W*nch.
How about:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor prostitutes, nor sodomites,

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Let's move on to something else. How about Matthew 12:32-34:

And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love [his] neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him [any question].


That, I believe, is the Word(s) of God.
;)

Thanks be to God, the
Ultimate Reality, Universal Soul, Sustainer of Life, and of Truth.
 

verita

Member
Psa 14:1 <To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.> The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psa 14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
 

verita

Member
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
 

verita

Member
1Co 11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
1Co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
1Co 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

 

verita

Member
Pro 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son; But he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Pro 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Pro 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
 
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