How are these Great Beings explained?

Unveiled Artist · Nov 10, 2017

I tried to keep it simple. If I tried to prove what I got from this thread more correct than what bahai say thats like bahai trying correct christians and hindu about their beliefs by stating their own beliefs. It changes nothing.

DJ_sXe said:
As for the matter of Peace, it deals not with the Religions Themselves, but rather with the people who profess to be Their Followers. They are who need to get straightened out.

Bahaullah says all revealed religions lead to god. He points out how and that differences of each religion are secondary to the unity that combines them. The reason people walk away from religion is not that they dont have sincere belief. Its because they put faith in the wrong interpretations or their faith. As a result, it causes division.

The people need to be "straighened out" (harsh) because they are following incorrect interpretations of their faith. Bahaullah says the source of the issue is the religions that the people follow.

There is no reason to say bahaullah is in the bible and krishna is a manifestation if bahaullah was Only concerned with the people.

DJ_sXe said:
No, “Life” as in “What actually is” or “Existence in the world or the larger universe seen totally and independently of any one person’s or culture’s perspective”. Again, this is speaking in the sense of absoluteness rather than relativity.

This has to do with god? Outside or god?

Ha. "Speaking in absoluteness and nit relativity."

That has been done ALL through this thread. Im just repeating what each bahaibsaid specifically. The reason it sounds harsh is because bahai faith is a god-centered religion. There was a time bahai took people's interpretation of their own faith as secondary to bahaullah's.

I think all but two Bahai, one isnt always here, speaks in relativity.

That is okay. Im being honest and not sugar coating you bahai stating our beliefs in bahai views and correct interpretations. Bahai are doing this with christianity as we speak.

I dont know if youre bahai. I have my RF on default so the screen wont jump all the time.

DJ_sXe said:
Concerning the Scriptures of earlier Religions, the word you want to use regarding Bahá’í Teachings here is “authentic”, not “correct”. The latter word, I feel, is far too ambiguous.

Symantics. Our scripture isnt authentic. One bahai said its because the people interpret it according to their bias of the time. It has been repeated all the time that our scriptures are only relevelent to the time period of the followers.

It is bahai belief. Im just repeating it.

DJ_sXe said:
The vagueness here is, actually, causing me to cringe a bit.

I posted bahaullah's views on this. No one corrected me.

Bahaullah says our religions are only relevant (in and of themselves not the people's beliefs held today adrian corrected me on). Lover says they are outdated. Tony offers a lot.

DJ_sXe said:
Concerning the matter of Reality, there, indeed, exists differences, though only in the perspectives of It and in the concepts, philosophies, (filters) built around It, not It unto Itself. Again, we do believe that It is but one and the same but the perspectives will be different.

In our view it isnt the perspectives. We Are different at the core.

This proves what I said about bahai view on unity. The rest of us disagree.

Thats ok.

DJ_sXe said:
Oh, yes we do, actually. We just differ on the matter. That doesn't mean that Christianity’s or anyone else’s understanding is false. To say that something is false is to say that it is not in accordance with fact or reality. Rather, the Trinity is valid, but ultimately inaccurate.

Wait. The trinity is valid but ultimetely inaccurate?
We dont have the aunthentic teachings?

If our beliefs were true, bahaullah would not see The Buddha pointing god.

Its bahai belief. Nothing more.

DJ_sXe said:
One Reality, Many Perspectives.
One Truth, Many Facets.
One God (One Ultimate Reality), Many Conceptions.

My point repeated. I just said it thats the difference.

DJ_sXe said:
These are our conceptions of these things. Again, you miss this by half a mile.

Making it simple based on over one thousand posts, quotes, and what i read on bahai site.

If bahai said the same thing there would be no issue. Since I releated itz there is.

I dont understsnd that and dont have the time tonquote all of bahaullah scripture ans go through each bahai posts to say im right in how I repeat. Using the words false and correct doesnt invalidate your faith and how it interprets othersm

There is no one unity. No one truth. No one reality. No one god. If bahai believed in diversity, they would believe this. They dont. Its only perspectives or colors of the truth.

It is what it is.

Unveiled Artist · Nov 10, 2017

Sorry. Havw to use you an example.

InvestigateTruth said:
Yes, the Pastors may claim that too. They are known to have studied bible, yet, there are proven errors in their writing. Abdulbaha never studied Religions. Yet, He has written many Books, and no mistakes can be proven to exist in them. See the difference?

@DJ_sXe

It is what it is. Diversity is when we accept and believe that the "errors" are not errors but facts of each persons faith. Unless youre saying Bahaullah is lying, Im just restating what bahai believe. Well, in general. Each bahai has their own spin.

TransmutingSoul · Nov 10, 2017

siti said:
OK - Baha'u'llah actually said "As We had frequently heard about him, We purposed to read some of his works. Although We never felt disposed to peruse other peoples’ writings, yet as some had questioned Us concerning him, We felt it necessary to refer to his books, in order that We might answer Our questioners with knowledge and understanding." (Book of Certitude p.184)

How odd that the Divine Manifestation replete with supernatural knowledge of all truth could not comment with knoweldge and understanding regarding a contrary viewpoint until he had read the books!

"Thou knowest full well that We perused not the books which men possess and We acquired not the learning current amongst them, and yet whenever We desire to quote the sayings of the learned and of the wise, presently there will appear before the face of thy Lord in the form of a tablet all that which hath appeared in the world and is revealed in the Holy Books and Scriptures. Thus do We set down in writing that which the eye perceiveth. Verily His knowledge encompasseth the earth and the heavens. Baha'u'llah : Tablets of Baha'u'llah revealed after the Kitab-i-Aqdas

Perhaps the book noted was not from the learned or the wise. When you read the rest of the quote it appears that way, as it is said; "...Among the specified sciences were the science of metaphysical abstractions, of alchemy, and natural magic. Such vain and discarded learnings, this man hath regarded as the pre-requisites of the understanding of the sacred and abiding mysteries of divine Knowledge.."

Personally I see the whole passage as advice not to waste time pursuing books that are not from the wise and the learned. A practical demonstrated lesson, so to speak.

Of course you are free to see it as you wish.

siti said:
Here is what I wrote in an earlier post in this thread - this speaks to the infallibility claim also because Abdu'l Baha makes directly contradictory claims about Baha'u'llah's association with men of learning (see my bold in the quotes) - they obviously cannot both be true.

Abdu'l Baha himself almost lets it slip in conversation with Baha'i "Hand of the Cause" John Esslemont:

"When He [Baha'u'llah] was only thirteen or fourteen years old He became renowned for His learning. He would converse on any subject and solve any problem presented to Him. In large gatherings He would discuss matters with the Ulama (leading mullas) and would explain intricate religious questions."
Bahá'u'lláh and the New Era: Chapter 3

That clearly shows that, in his youth, Baha'u'llah spent considerable time discussing religious matters with the "Ulama" - religious teachers. And this despite the fact that Abdu'l Baha himself makes a directly contradictory claim here:

"As all the people of Persia know, He had never studied in any school, nor had He associated with the ulamá or the men of learning...His companions and associates were Persians of the highest rank, but not learned men."
Some Answered Questions, Abdu'l Baha

How are these Great Beings explained?

I see a great distinction between the two Quotes you supplied,

I see Abdul'Baha telling us that when young, Baha'u'llah could stand and talk to the Ulama and they would learn from Baha'u'llah intricate religious understandings, Baha'u'llah was not learning from them.

I see Baha'u'llah is telling us that He did not attend the schools of the Ulama to which part of that schooling is attending their classes and their debates, or in other words associating with them.

But again, you are free to draw your conclusions.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Nov 10, 2017

siti said:
Here's one I came across when I wasn't even looking for it:

In another passage of the Gospel it is written: “And it came to pass that on a certain day the father of one of the disciples of Jesus had died.” That disciple reporting the death of his father unto Jesus, asked for leave to go and bury him. Whereupon, Jesus, that Essence of Detachment, answered and said: “Let the dead bury their dead.” - Book of Certitude 126

In fact there is no passage in the Gospels that says that the father of the disciple had died, only that the disciple asked leave to go and bury his father before following Jesus. It is quite possible (assuming without any sound basis for doing so that the account is true in any respect) that the disciple's father had not yet, in fact, died - and that would be a very reasonable explanation for Jesus' apparent lack of compassion - (the disciple might have been simply excusing himself - possibly for months or years - until such time as his father had in fact died) but the point is, it is very clearly a misquote because even if it is reasonable to assume that the man's father had died, the scripture does not say so and Baha'u'llah claims it as a direct quote - oops!

Again the importance of this is what is being discussed in the story and that is "let the Dead Bury the Dead".

If we look at the story from a Christian view, they add more explanations about the dead Father, but it does not take away from the key point of the story;

"...Jesus said, “Let the dead bury the dead,” in response to a disciple who wanted to spend time at home before committing himself to the Lord. Jesus said, “‘Follow me.’ But the man replied, ‘Lord, first let me go and bury my father.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God’” (Luke 9:59–60). This man may have wanted to fulfill the oldest son’s duty to bury the father, to be near the father in order to obtain an inheritance, or to remain near the body of his father for up to one year to rebury the bones, a practice of some Jews at the time. In any event, Jesus’ answer makes clear that this request would have involved putting tradition or the disciple’s own desires ahead of serving Jesus." What did Jesus mean when He said "Let the dead bury the dead" (Luke 9:60)?

I agree with their conclusion, but a lot of that is not in the recorded story, we are to pull these spiritual understandings from the recorded story.

The Bible Contains the Word of God, it is not a word for word record of each event or talk given.

Regards Tony

Dawnofhope · Nov 10, 2017

oldbadger said:
No probs.
Some are copied below.
Imagine how these could be inserted into commerce, industry, retail etc.
Example: In the UK most retailers are worried about staff scams, discarded stock scams, blah blah, and because of this everything that is thrown away is smashed up or spoiled completely so that it cannot be utilised in any way. That includes food, toys, everything! Under Mosaic law the retail trade would be banned from doing that.

And so, if you expand what you read below into the whole world, it's just fantastic.

And don't forget, I'm not Jewish.

THE POOR!
Well-to-do are required to lend to the poor (Ex. 22:24)
Neighbours must help each other with difficult labours (Ex.23:5)
Not to demand from a poor man repayment of his debt, when the creditor knows that he cannot pay, nor press him (Ex.22:24)
Not to exact a pledge from a debtor by force (Deut. 24:10)
Not to keep the pledge (tools etc) from its owner at the time when he needs it (Deut. 24:12)
Not to refrain from making a loan to a poor man, because of the release of loans in the Sabbatical year (Deut. 15:9)
Not to take a pledge from a widow (Deut. 24:17)
Leave corners of fields and orchards for the poor (Lev.19:9 Lev. 23:22)
Do not gather gleanings but leave them for the poor (Lev. 19:9)
Not to gather single grapes from the ground (Lev.19:10)
The second tithes in the 3rd and 6th sabbatical years are for the poor (Deut. 14:28-29)
Payed up or not, debts will be layed aside in the seventh year (Deut. 15:2)
Wealthy are obliged to subsidise a poor man (Deut. 15:7)
Everybody must support the poor according to their means (Deut. 15:11)
Forgotten sheaves or fruit must be left for the poor (Deut. 24:19 -20)
Imperfect vines of grapes to be left for the poor (Lev.19:10 Deut. 24:21))
Don't demand or force a debt be repayed if the poor can't pay (Ex.22:24 Deut. 24:10)
Not to loan by pledge upon cooking pots, tools, etc (Deut.24:6)
Lenders may not keep pledged tools if the owner needs them for work (Deut. 24:12)
Lend to widows pledge free (Deut. 24:17)
Not to afflict an orphan or a widow (Ex. 22:21)
Not to reap the entire field (Lev. 19:9; Lev. 23:22)
Not to return to take a forgotten sheaf (Deut. 24:19)
....and.....This applies to all fruit trees (Deut. 24:20)
Not to refrain from maintaining a poor man (Deut. 15:7)

I think the laws that Moses brought were fanastic.

I have been poor in the past due to my family that I grew up with. I escaped the cycle of poverty by applying the Baha'i Tachings to my life. So I think one the first principles is understanding who we are and learning the right path in life.

O SON OF SPIRIT! Noble have I created thee, yet thou hast abased thyself. Rise then unto that for which thou wast created.

O SON OF SPIRIT! I created thee rich, why dost thou bring thyself down to poverty? Noble I made thee, wherewith dost thou abase thyself? Out of the essence of knowledge I gave thee being, why seekest thou enlightenment from anyone beside Me? Out of the clay of love I molded thee, how dost thou busy thyself with another? Turn thy sight unto thyself, that thou mayest find Me standing within thee, mighty, powerful and self-subsisting.

So the first principle is to know to realise we are all noble creatures created by God, and within each of us we have the capacity to attain the spiritual qualities and characteristics that God would want us to have.

Then Baha'u'llah teaches that we should know ourselves. What brings out the best in us, and what doesn't.

man should know his own self and recognize that which leadeth unto loftiness or lowliness, glory or abasement, wealth or poverty. Having attained the stage of fulfilment and reached his maturity, man standeth in need of wealth, and such wealth as he acquireth through crafts or professions is commendable and praiseworthy in the estimation of men of wisdom, and especially in the eyes of servants who dedicate themselves to the education of the world and to the edification of its peoples.
Bahá'í Reference Library - Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh Revealed After the Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Pages 33-44

Once we have reached that stage of maturity through education, knowledge and training then we learn a craft, trade, profession, or skill that enables us to play our part in the community.

Work is seen as the equilavent of worshipping God, so when from the fullness of our heart we apply ourselves to serving humanity this worship.

In the Baha’i Cause arts, sciences and all crafts are (counted as) worship. The man who makes a piece of notepaper to the best of his ability, conscientiously, concentrating all his forces on perfecting it, is giving praise to God. Briefly, all effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. This is worship: to serve mankind and to minister to the needs of the people. Service is prayer. A physician ministering to the sick, gently, tenderly, free from prejudice and believing in the solidarity of the human race, he is giving praise. – Abdu’l-Baha, Paris Talks, p. 176-177.

Knowledge is as wings to man’s life, and a ladder for his ascent. Its acquisition is incumbent upon everyone. The knowledge of such sciences, however, should be acquired as can profit the peoples of the earth…. Great indeed is the claim of scientists and craftsmen on the peoples of the world. – Tablets of Baha’u’llah Revealed After the Kitab-i-Aqdas, pp. 51-52.

Work, Nobility and Worship

Of course not everyone can contribute due the disability, health or from personal circumstances.

Poverty

The Baha'i writings deal with the practicalities of our life now but there are writings that address economics for a future civilisation.

The first thing when we are struggling with poverty and material tests is where possible take responsibility for our lives and circumstances. If each of us takes these steps then we also have a much greater capacity to help those in need.

Living the Baha'i life is very practical and down to earth.

Dawnofhope · Nov 10, 2017

oldbadger said:
No...... but whilst trawling around for other info I happened upon some laws which the Bad wrote, something quite new to me.
Some of these are absolutely shocking, and since they were written after 1844 then they must be part of the bahai dispensation surely?

If these would be dragged out of the cupboard and bunged on to the legislation later, then..... Wow!

It's plain simple that the more I look around so the more worrying stuff I find.

I think you misunderstand the Babi religion. The Babs purpose was to prepare His followers for 'Him whom God shall make manifest' or Baha'u'llah. When Baha'u'llah came, He brought an entirely new religion with new teachings and new laws.

For example I have heard that the Bab taught His followers not to eat garlic lest his breath offends Him whom God shall make manifest. This isn't a teaching about diet. its emphasing that the advent of the promised one is near and His followers should be both spiritually and physically prepared.

Vinayaka · Nov 10, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
O My servants! Could ye apprehend with what wonders of My munificence and bounty I have willed to entrust your souls, ye would of a truth, rid yourselves of attachment to all created things, and would gain a true knowledge of your own selves — a knowledge which is the same as the comprehension of Mine own Being. Ye would find yourselves independent of all else but Me, and would perceive, with your inner and outer eye, and as manifest as the revelation of My effulgent name, the seas of My loving-kindness and bounty moving within you. Suffer not your idle fancies, your evil passions, your insincerity and blindness of heart to dim the lustre, or stain the sanctity, of so lofty a station. (Bahá’u’lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 326)

Tony, all I get from this is a long winded egotistical rant so full of 'I am the greatest' it puts all braggarts to shame. On top of that, in the second last sentence he says we're insincere and blind to not recognise it.

I know that that's not how you read it, but I'd ask you to step back for a moment, and change the author's name to a local pastor, an Australian politician, or anyone else, and then objectively ask yourself how it sounds. Maybe that will give you a differing perspective.

Vinayaka · Nov 10, 2017

DJ_sXe said:
Jiddu Krishnamurti didn't consider himself a follower of any religion; he was not a Hindu. If anything, he was critical of people's alliance with any form of religion, regarding religions as crutches in pursuit of an understanding of Truth.

Good to have you back on this thread.

Yes, that's true. My point was just more that he was too humble to consider himself the messiah. He had Indian philosophical influence for sure, and was brought up in India.

Vinayaka · Nov 10, 2017

adrian009 said:
Of course all those contenders who make Messianic claims can not be correct.

Or perhaps its even none of them.

Vinayaka · Nov 10, 2017

adrian009 said:
The Baha'i writings deal with the practicalities of our life now but there are writings that address economics for a future civilisation.

The first thing when we are struggling with poverty and material tests is where possible take responsibility for our lives and circumstances. If each of us takes these steps then we also have a much greater capacity to help those in need.

Living the Baha'i life is very practical and down to earth.

Many faiths are incredibly practical. Baha'i' faith has no monopoly on this.

Vinayaka · Nov 10, 2017

adrian009 said:
I think you misunderstand the Babi religion. The Babs purpose was to prepare His followers for 'Him whom God shall make manifest' or Baha'u'llah. When Baha'u'llah came, He brought an entirely new religion with new teachings and new laws.

Just a curious question on this. Why didn't the Bab be far more specific on who exactly he meant. Don't you think that may have caused far less trouble?

oldbadger · Nov 10, 2017

Vinayaka said:
Yes, and he seems incredibly clear about the entire thing. But like you said, not a Covenant Breaker................

His posts radiate a freedom to state straight truth.
He is free.

Vinayaka · Nov 10, 2017

oldbadger said:
His posts radiate a freedom to state straight truth.
He is free.

Yes, it's refreshing. There is no repetition of the 'We're perfect' mantra.

oldbadger · Nov 10, 2017

Vinayaka said:
I can also predict future events. "Something important will happen." Then when anything happens, the folks who believed me will say I am a saint, and they will reinterpret my words to suit what happened.

Baha'u'llah made absolutely no precise predictions, just generalizations, that were later interpreted to say something they didn't actually say, by those who wanted (or perhaps psychologically needed) to believe, much like yourself. So sure, you're to believe he was an infallible perfect manifestation who knew it all. That's your right.

And they knock fortune tellers!

oldbadger · Nov 10, 2017

adrian009 said:
The first thing when we are struggling with poverty and material tests is where possible take responsibility for our lives and circumstances.

Adrian, I did read every part of your post, including all attachments.

Bahauallah and his son were both immensely comfortable in wealth. I have little doubt that he was privately educated, probably a hafiz which is why, as @siti has noted, he misquoted the bible. Both were also rich in AStatus and Family interest, or both would (no doubt) have been publicly executed for apostasy.

I perceive that this background shows itself in the writings, which offer much religious fervour about the poor, but show absolutely no 'grass roots' ideas about what poverty really is, or why it can come about.

And I'm not sure that you have too many clues either. Look at what you wrote:-

''where possible take responsibility for our lives and circumstances''

People who have high natural ability, given by nature, can be horribly ignorant about ...... disability. You didn't gain your position because of the sweat of your brow, you gained it because you were born with the ability to take in, retain and deliver masses of information, and apply it, without which you could not have succeeded no matter how much sweat of brow was maintained.

And as for Bahai, .....Look at how Bahai has progressed with regard to its support for the poor, even after 170 years of development:-
The larger the presence of a Bahá’í community in a population, the greater its responsibility to find ways of addressing the root causes of the poverty in its surroundings. Although the friends are at the early stages of learning about such work and of contributing to the related discourses, the community-building process of the Five Year Plan is creating everywhere the ideal environment in which to accrue knowledge and experience, gradually but consistently, about the higher purpose of economic activity. Against the background of the age-long work of erecting a divine civilization, may this exploration become a more pronounced feature of community life, institutional thought, and individual action in the years ahead.
(Universal House of Justice, to the Bahá’ís of the World, 1 March 2017)

Now that is goggledegook, simply meaning that bahai has done nothing about .............
DISABILITY!............................

How does a person with an IQ of 90 take responsibility for his/her circumstances? Or blindness? Or any disability?
It is the Community which must take responsibility!

EXAMPLE: My Grandson is disabled with a clubbed foot. He applied to join the NHS passenger ambulance service. The contractor did want to fail his application but because of UK law they had to allow him to take the training courses, and if he would be unable then he would fail. My grandson is a bull headed little s*d and came first in every section of the whole course including (of course) vehicle control etc. They couldn't fail him. He now drives a K&C NHS ambulance all over Kent/London.

You see? We in the UK have already got such good disability anti-discrimination law that some (not all) disabled folks can have a chance. It;'s already here. There's nothing for bahai to do.

oldbadger · Nov 10, 2017

adrian009 said:
I think you misunderstand the Babi religion. The Babs purpose was to prepare His followers for 'Him whom God shall make manifest' or Baha'u'llah. When Baha'u'llah came, He brought an entirely new religion with new teachings and new laws.

Question: Did the Bab acknowledge Bahauallah as the prophet, or did Bahauallah self-declare and rename himself?
And look at what you wrote, above........ ''He brought an entirely new religion''......... which throws the Bahaio numerological fortune telling into dark shadow.

Sundance · Nov 10, 2017

Carlita said:
Sorry. Havw to use you an example.

@DJ_sXe

It is what it is. Diversity is when we accept and believe that the "errors" are not errors but facts of each persons faith. Unless youre saying Bahaullah is lying, Im just restating what bahai believe. Well, in general. Each bahai has their own spin.

There is nothing wrong with acknowledging the facts of each Religion's theology. However, there is also nothing with looking at the various Teachings in different ways or with disagreeing entirely with Them. In any case, we still accept the different Religions as valid (for Their Own Followers, anyway). It doesn't matter in the end. To you be your Religion, to me, mine.

Additionally, I'm not saying that Bahá’u’lláh’s lying. Not at all. I absolutely agree with Him. However, you, Carlita (once again) have devised your criticisms based only on your own incomplete assessments of what Bahá’u’lláh had actually taught. When you shut one eye, keeping the other open, you only see half the world.

Sundance · Nov 10, 2017

Vinayaka said:
Good to have you back on this thread.

Regretfully, dear Vinayaka.

Vinayaka said:
Yes, that's true. My point was just more that he was too humble to consider himself the messiah. He had Indian philosophical influence for sure, and was brought up in India.

I agree with you.

Unveiled Artist · Nov 10, 2017

DJ_sXe said:
There is nothing wrong with acknowledging the facts of each Religion's theology. However, there is also nothing with looking at the various Teachings in different ways or with disagreeing entirely with Them. In any case, we still accept the different Religions as valid (for Their Own Followers, anyway). It doesn't matter in the end. To you be your Religion, to me, mine.

Additionally, I'm not saying that Bahá’u’lláh’s lying. Not at all. I absolutely agree with Him. However, you, Carlita (once again) have devised your criticisms based only on your own incomplete assessments of what Bahá’u’lláh had actually taught. When you shut one eye, keeping the other open, you only see half the world.

I am only repeating what has already been stated since post one. What I read from all of bahai quotes on this thread. Bahai site. Bahai commentaries. Bahai arguments. Bahai.... bahai....

Healthy criticism are fine. Bahai has a whole lot of books of info that to read it and talk about takea the other party being interested in a back and forth doscussion.

Sundance · Nov 10, 2017

Carlita said:
I tried to keep it simple. If I tried to prove what I got from this thread more correct than what bahai say thats like bahai trying correct christians and hindu about their beliefs by stating their own beliefs. It changes nothing.

Bahaullah says all revealed religions lead to god. He points out how and that differences of each religion are secondary to the unity that combines them. The reason people walk away from religion is not that they dont have sincere belief. Its because they put faith in the wrong interpretations or their faith. As a result, it causes division.

The people need to be "straighened out" (harsh) because they are following incorrect interpretations of their faith. Bahaullah says the source of the issue is the religions that the people follow.

There is no reason to say bahaullah is in the bible and krishna is a manifestation if bahaullah was Only concerned with the people.

This has to do with god? Outside or god?

Ha. "Speaking iteness and nit relativity."

That has been done ALL through this thread. Im just repeating what each bahaibsaid specifically. The reason it sounds harsh is because bahai faith is a god-centered religion. There was a time bahai took people's interpretation of their own faith as secondary to bahaullah's.

I think all but two Bahai, one isnt always here, speaks in relativity.

That is okay. Im being honest and not sugar coating you bahai stating our beliefs in bahai views and correct interpretations. Bahai are doing this with christianity as we speak.

I dont know if youre bahai. I have my RF on default so the screen wont jump all the time.

Symantics. Our scripture isnt authentic. One bahai said its because the people interpret it according to their bias of the time. It has been repeated all the time that our scriptures are only relevelent to the time period of the followers.

It is bahai belief. Im just repeating it.

I posted bahaullah's views on this. No one corrected me.

Bahaullah says our religions are only relevant (in and of themselves not the people's beliefs held today adrian corrected me on). Lover says they are outdated. Tony offers a lot.

In our view it isnt the perspectives. We Are different at the core.

This proves what I said about bahai view on unity. The rest of us disagree.

Thats ok.

Wait. The trinity is valid but ultimetely inaccurate?
We dont have the aunthentic teachings?

If our beliefs were true, bahaullah would not see The Buddha pointing god.

Its bahai belief. Nothing more.

My point repeated. I just said it thats the difference.

Making it simple based on over one thousand posts, quotes, and what i read on bahai site.

If bahai said the same thing there would be no issue. Since I releated itz there is.

I dont understsnd that and dont have the time tonquote all of bahaullah scripture ans go through each bahai posts to say im right in how I repeat. Using the words false and correct doesnt invalidate your faith and how it interprets othersm

There is no one unity. No one truth. No one reality. No one god. If bahai believed in diversity, they would believe this. They dont. Its only perspectives or colors of the truth.

It is what it is.

Since I am at a point where my tolerance for argument is now fully depleted, I will take the liberty of responding to all of this with the same message.

The fact that you disagree with me on these matters is fair and respectable, madame. This trading of intellectual blows, however, is a transparent instance of the same point I have made time and time again, the very same Teaching of my Faith: There can be many differing perspectives of the same thing. That is what my Faith teaches. You believe something else, Carlita. This is perfectly acceptable.

In my observations of religion, it would be the case that we Bahá’ís have one conception of religion, Hindus have another, Buddhists another, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Pagans, Atheists each have their own. This has been and will always be intriguing to me. As I hope to made unambiguously clear, I have no issue with these things. Different religions are, in the end, that. Different. This is wonderful to me. It is as it should be, even as (so my Faith teaches) God ordains it. Though, as I have aforementioned, He does not ordain our contentions with one another over those differences. At all.

With this in mind, for the final time, I hereby exit this thread.

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