Skwim
Veteran Member
Boy, ain't that the truth.
"Don't confuse me with the facts."
"Facts are only for the unimaginative."
"If it wasn't for facts I'd be a lot smarter."
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Egad! A Revolution in the Mormon Church. Can Starbucks and Thong Underwear be Far Behind?
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"Don't confuse me with the facts."
"Facts are only for the unimaginative."
"If it wasn't for facts I'd be a lot smarter."
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What a bunch of non-sense and half truths. I no longer practice but this garbage reeks.
Hot drinks is interpreted to mean coffee and tea.
I played basketball on my mission. No one ever said no full court.
True: Missionaries do not swim during their mission.
True: Missionaries only call home twice per year. Christmas and Mother's Day.
There is no rule that says no meat in summer.
True: Encouraged to have a disaster plan, including three months of food and water.
Regarding oral sex, some leaders may have spoken out against it but there's no formal rule. What happens in the bedroom is between husband and wife.
No moving during sex? Ridiculous.
True: Mormons don't like the leadership being criticized.
False: Lying is not OK.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Facts and theories are not the same thing. You should know that. But it is no surprise that you confuse the two.
Skwim
Veteran Member
"If you play basketball, volleyball, or another sport, do not allow the situation to become intense or competitive. (For example, do not keep score.) The purpose of recreational activity is exercise that will help you meet the physical demands of your work. Competitive games easily lead to injury or fatigue, which interfere with the work. If you play basketball, play only half court.
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I don't know what constitutes a "rule" in the religion, but the following from the Lord certainly seems to be against eating meat in the summer, with the exception of times of famine.
“Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;
“And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.” (D&C 89:12–13.)
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“And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.” (D&C 89:12–13.)
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Skwim
Veteran Member
Peanut butter and jelly aren't the same either. And in as much as I haven't said or suggested that facts and theories are the same thing your comment is about as relevant as a
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Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Nonsense? Well, it's on the internet, isn't it? Obviously it must be accurate.
Thanks for stepping up to the plate, Watchmen. I'm sure this information will be more likely to believed coming from you than from me. After all, I'm still a practicing Mormon and am therefore supposedly permitted to lie.
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Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Well, #7 is a rule that's enforced to get mama's boys to grow up. #8 is purely a precautionary thing. And #9 is not even an accurate statement.
No Mormon I've ever known has ever ever heard of this so-called rule. People are always calling Mormons "gullible," but people who believe this nonsense about us are even more so.
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
The context of the lying thing is important. You should probably read the source article.Of course it's nonsense. Look who started the thread.
Thanks for stepping up to the plate, Watchmen. I'm sure this information will be more likely to believed coming from you than from me. After all, I'm still a practicing Mormon and am therefore supposedly permitted to lie.
Interesting about basketball. Didn't know that.
As for meat, it'd be nice if the teaching was followed but it's not. What you're quoting is from the Word of Wisdom, which was originally simply meant to be guidelines -- not commandment (like the pirate's code, lol).
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I did read it, and I still disagree. I'm assuming you're referring to this paragraph:
At least one Mormon has claimed that Mormons are raised “with the idea that it’s okay to lie if it’s for a higher cause.” Not every Mormon agrees with this statement, but it may hold a grain of truth. Apparently, throughout the history of the church, it has been okay to lie to outsiders if it protects the church.
Seriously? "At least one Mormon has claimed [something]," so it's obviously true.
"A grain of truth"? Yeah, that would be about it. A grain.
The "source" is an anti-Mormon hack with a bone to grind and has no credibility. The idea that it's OK to lie is absurd. In fact, over the last several years the Mormon Church has published essays on controversial topics. Far from lying, the Church is trying to engage in a dialog. I don't believe their side anymore, but that doesn't mean I think they are lying.
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
Or don't, whatever.
Wrong. I did. I read the source in the OP and clicked to that source's source. A disgruntled descendent of a Mormon prophet and "former Mormon."
james bond
Well-Known Member
Since my last list on atheists belief in aliens was such a hit, I have come up with another list. Thanks, Skwimmy boy. This is fun.
9 Mysteries Of Evolution
9. Bi-cellular organisms suck at life and less likely to keep their genetic line alive. Thus, multicell organisms are a mystery, not an inevitability.
8. Organisms develop by gradual increases in "beneficial" mutation. But with mutation, there is always a liability component to survive instead of an asset.
7. In 2013, the cicadas returned as they every 17 years. Evos still can't explain this as cicadas are another creature poorly designed for survival. They can't explain its eyes either.
6. Why did humans leave Africa when traveling would be very difficult and the risks not worth the rewards?
5. We have Australopithecus Sediba which is an Anti-missing link.
4. The skeleton and ancestory of whales is more similar to cows than dolphins.
3. Female orgasms are not evolutionary. Does that mean evos aren't good in bed?
2. Corn isn't very nutritious but was selected for GMO. Why?
1. Apes still can't talk, but speech evolved from them.
Good list. Hilarious.
9 Mysteries Of Evolution
9. Bi-cellular organisms suck at life and less likely to keep their genetic line alive. Thus, multicell organisms are a mystery, not an inevitability.
8. Organisms develop by gradual increases in "beneficial" mutation. But with mutation, there is always a liability component to survive instead of an asset.
7. In 2013, the cicadas returned as they every 17 years. Evos still can't explain this as cicadas are another creature poorly designed for survival. They can't explain its eyes either.
6. Why did humans leave Africa when traveling would be very difficult and the risks not worth the rewards?
5. We have Australopithecus Sediba which is an Anti-missing link.
4. The skeleton and ancestory of whales is more similar to cows than dolphins.
3. Female orgasms are not evolutionary. Does that mean evos aren't good in bed?
2. Corn isn't very nutritious but was selected for GMO. Why?
1. Apes still can't talk, but speech evolved from them.
Good list. Hilarious.
Confucian Mormon Buddhist
Member
The logic makes sense but the implementation is rather radical. So you shouldn't be able to call your father on Father's Day, or a loved one on their birthday? I would also bring up examples like a relative being mortally ill or some sort of big, important news in the family, but I'd assume exceptions would be made for that.
Likewise, it might make sense to try to keep your people from getting in accidents, but I found it foolish to just outright ban activities like that. It's like when a kid gets hurt doing something stupid on playground equipment, so the school takes the equipment away, even though the problem was the stupid kid and not the equipment.
The phone call thing isn't a big deal so long as everyone involved are true believers.
As for rules, there are a lot of moving parts. The Church wants to keep missionaries safe, be good neighbors, AND avoid lawsuits! Think of it like any other organization. They all have rules for various reasons. Some rules make sense. Some don't. Governments also have rules. For example, were required to wear seat belts. That takes away my personal liberty, but the governing body has decided that's what's best for me (whether I agree or understand or not).
Birthday's would be a big nightmare logistically speaking, honestly.
Correct: exception are 100% made for cases like that.
Swimming has super high liability insurance attached. Hence many places (not just LDS missions) forbid swimming. For example, when I went site-seeing in Mexico with a completely tour secular company, we were forbidden to enter the water, despite the fact that we spent half the day literally on the beach.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Skwim
Veteran Member
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Meh. Live and learn.
It's not like you're the first person to cite bogus info about the Church.
We will survive somehow.